Later start times

[Wullie10]

So 12 pages on and everyone is just guessing. No one has a clue and won't know until next Monday.

[norris9]

I've been a Postman for almost 37 years. I certainly have no stress. I work in a small rural office, i just start on time and finish on time. Our manager is based 30 miles away, we only see him every few months, nobody bothers us. I realise i'm lucky compared to alot.

Why can't we have no managers, or less managers. 99.9% of my time speaking to managers is about what to take out with me. I could work this out myself....or if the job was achievable within time - I'd never have to ask. And asking often leads to arguments because the manager is completely unrealistic. It's even led to me and others going off with stress.


I look forward to hearing my later start time next week.

Is it true that they don't care about the people who need to pick up their kids from school? - they won't be getting their 'family friendly hours'? if so, they're trying to push more people out the door.

[claretandblue]

We've been told 44 mins by our rep, was originally an hour.

[claretandblue]

So we were, until mid-January, starting at 6.54am. It was then changed to the current start time of 7.15am. We've just been told that in June we will now be starting at 8.37am! WTF.

Whole this is a shambles,this union is a disgrace

It is RM driving this change. NOT the union. It will be the hard work of the union that has mitigated the later starts for the majority of the offices. Without union involvement you will have been told it will be 90 minutes later and thats that. Like it or lump it.

What would you have done differently? Do tell?

Tbh, that’s a fair summation of where the union’s at nowadays. Without them, you’d be starting 90mins later. With them, you’ll start a mere 82mins later.

I think within a year it's gong to be 90 mins everywhere and I can't see the union being able to do anything about it.

What are you basing this on? They can’t retain staff now. It is no good having later and later times if you have no workers to fill the hours.

Don't worry they are planning on filling those vacancies with supernumerary workers from mail centres plus the extra ones that will be created when the hubs take more work away from mail centres. If those workers are anything like the ones we've had comes across from collections they won't last more than a fortnight so it's a short term solution but if they leave by their own choice it's a win for royal mail because it saves having to payout even the new crappy vr terms on offer

No they won't, they've done a deal so supernumerarys don't have to go on delivery. Jobs for the boys.

[Kesknight]

So 12 pages on and everyone is just guessing. No one has a clue and won't know until next Monday.

Well said. It's all just guess work at the moment. It's a good site this but there's too much doom and gloom. At the end of the day it's a job, you only have to start on your time and finish on your time. Nobody can make you do anything different.

[clashcityrocker]

At the end of the day it's a job, you only have to start on your time and finish on your time. Nobody can make you do anything different.

Until they bring in commit to deliver.

[Acca Dacca]

At the end of the day it's a job, you only have to start on your time and finish on your time. Nobody can make you do anything different.

Until they bring in commit to deliver.

That will never happen. Its not even legal. That was simply a scare tactic.

They would need to fire and rehire everyone currently contracted for starters.

[HTPostman]

So we were, until mid-January, starting at 6.54am. It was then changed to the current start time of 7.15am. We've just been told that in June we will now be starting at 8.37am! WTF.

Whole this is a shambles,this union is a disgrace

It is RM driving this change. NOT the union. It will be the hard work of the union that has mitigated the later starts for the majority of the offices. Without union involvement you will have been told it will be 90 minutes later and thats that. Like it or lump it.

What would you have done differently? Do tell?

Tbh, that’s a fair summation of where the union’s at nowadays. Without them, you’d be starting 90mins later. With them, you’ll start a mere 82mins later.

I think within a year it's gong to be 90 mins everywhere and I can't see the union being able to do anything about it.

This is incorrect. It doesn't even make any logical sense let alone the little bit of knowledge I have on the matter.

So, A DO 50 miles from the MC will be 90 mins? A DO 10 mins from the MC, 90 mins? A DO attached to the DO...90 mins also? I think it's fairly clear what im getting at. You don't know what you are talking about.

ALL the DOs locally WILL BE about an hour later anyway.

I wondered about that, the only thing I can think of is they run the sequencing for the closer do's last so the despatch time is earlier for the furthest away to give a similar arrival time, as I say I've no idea just guessing.

Wave 2 is walk sort only, unless RM plan on having us go back to sequence it, though tbqf some batches some nights can se so quite on wave 2 that it's barely worth even bothering to walk sort them.

A lot of the time will be accounted for the later arrivals into the MC and the time to process that mail.

You've now reduced your claim by 30 mins. You've gone form all will be 90s mins to most will be 60 mins. Where as I know this to be factually untrue. We will all find out soon enough. Within the next 7 days probably.

He probably has a gut feeling usually does

My gut feeling is if anything we’ll be starting at least 200, maybe 300 hours later

[SpacePhoenix]

At the end of the day it's a job, you only have to start on your time and finish on your time. Nobody can make you do anything different.

Until they bring in commit to deliver.

That will never happen. Its not even legal. That was simply a scare tactic.

They would need to fire and rehire everyone currently contracted for starters.

These days I wouldn't put it past them to try

[CarryingMGMT]

Undoubtedly a very small minority of posters on here making it crystal clear what their views/beliefs are.

Shocked I tell you

[Mr Rush]

At the end of the day it's a job, you only have to start on your time and finish on your time. Nobody can make you do anything different.

Until they bring in commit to deliver.

That will never happen. Its not even legal. That was simply a scare tactic.

They would need to fire and rehire everyone currently contracted for starters.

It's only a matter of time. Do you see the union's bargaining position improving in the next decade?

[TopperGas]

So 12 pages on and everyone is just guessing. No one has a clue and won't know until next Monday.

Well said. It's all just guess work at the moment. It's a good site this but there's too much doom and gloom. At the end of the day it's a job, you only have to start on your time and finish on your time. Nobody can make you do anything different.

Isn't the fact we won't be starting or finishing at the same times we presently do what this thread is all about?

[norris9]

At the end of the day it's a job, you only have to start on your time and finish on your time. Nobody can make you do anything different.

Until they bring in commit to deliver.

That will never happen. Its not even legal. That was simply a scare tactic.

They would need to fire and rehire everyone currently contracted for starters.

Commit to deliver would be ok if....

-We always had 1 day's mail.
-Jobs/Duties were a fair/reasonable size.
-You didn't have to take your tracked parcels during the Xmas period as they get Xmas parcel workers in.

Benefits:
-They'd no longer be arguments with managers about what to take.
-Lapsing would be long gone.
-You could do the job as slow or as fast as you wanted.
-It would be job and finish.

It would all just depend how pay would work....

Do they only essentially pay you until a set time - if you finish before that time you can go home early, if you finish after that time you obviously go home late.

Do they pay overtime if you go over.... the problem here is people will drag their rounds out to get extra pay.... slow work is rewarded with £.

Do they do clock-in clock-out and pay you for the hours you do - again, this isn't a fair way of doing things as people will drag out their rounds, or people will naturally be slower than others, but be rewarded for being slow.

I think it would have to be a set amount of £ per day no matter how busy it was. I actually like the idea. Getting rid of all the politics of agreeing with managers what to take would make the job so much less stressful.....

BUT in an ideal world the jobs would have to be made a fair and reasonable size in agreement with the Union and annual leave and sick days would need to be covered by Royal Mail. Imagine coming in to 3 day's mail and you have to complete it - that would suck.

[pieoftheday]

At the end of the day it's a job, you only have to start on your time and finish on your time. Nobody can make you do anything different.

Until they bring in commit to deliver.

That will never happen. Its not even legal. That was simply a scare tactic.

They would need to fire and rehire everyone currently contracted for starters.

Commit to deliver would be ok if....

-We always had 1 day's mail.
-Jobs/Duties were a fair/reasonable size.
-You didn't have to take your tracked parcels during the Xmas period as they get Xmas parcel workers in.

Benefits:
-They'd no longer be arguments with managers about what to take.
-Lapsing would be long gone.
-You could do the job as slow or as fast as you wanted.
-It would be job and finish.

It would all just depend how pay would work....

Do they only essentially pay you until a set time - if you finish before that time you can go home early, if you finish after that time you obviously go home late.

Do they pay overtime if you go over.... the problem here is people will drag their rounds out to get extra pay.... slow work is rewarded with £.

Do they do clock-in clock-out and pay you for the hours you do - again, this isn't a fair way of doing things as people will drag out their rounds, or people will naturally be slower than others, but be rewarded for being slow.

I think it would have to be a set amount of £ per day no matter how busy it was. I actually like the idea. Getting rid of all the politics of agreeing with managers what to take would make the job so much less stressful.....

BUT in an ideal world the jobs would have to be made a fair and reasonable size in agreement with the Union and annual leave and sick days would need to be covered by Royal Mail. Imagine coming in to 3 day's mail and you have to complete it - that would suck.

Commit to deliver would never be ok

[kazardaimenu]

Flat rate job and knock sounds very appealing. But commit to deliver would be abused by managers who would quickly increase the size of the duties. Also true that the slow posties who go over by hours are being rewarded with more £ than more efficient ones.