CWU Live - Pilots update - Tony Bouch

[Londonsburning]

It would be wrong on all levels if they end up having every weekend off and that would create a two tier system which is pretty much already is now with the new and old contracts.

I presume you are on a so called legacy contract much like myself. Why are you kicking off about non-drivers, 100% of them being on the same contract as yourself, when new starts are paid £80 PW less than us? That is the real two tier system here.

It's not that I'm kicking off, it's the fact I've been reading comments from a few non drivers hoping they get Monday to Friday rotas.One on here recently commented on this thread to say bung the B*stards £20 a week on a Saturday to stop them moaning. We all would love two days off together each week but we can't get it. Drivers already have to put up with so much crap with the trimble situation, it's not the non drivers fault but the drivers already get the short straw by basically being a driver.

Just use your seniority to jump onto a processing or collections duty at the closest MC next auction then, like the rest of us.. Easy to take the weight off your feet

[SpacePhoenix]

It would be wrong on all levels if they end up having every weekend off and that would create a two tier system which is pretty much already is now with the new and old contracts.

I presume you are on a so called legacy contract much like myself. Why are you kicking off about non-drivers, 100% of them being on the same contract as yourself, when new starts are paid £80 PW less than us? That is the real two tier system here.

It's not that I'm kicking off, it's the fact I've been reading comments from a few non drivers hoping they get Monday to Friday rotas.One on here recently commented on this thread to say bung the B*stards £20 a week on a Saturday to stop them moaning. We all would love two days off together each week but we can't get it. Drivers already have to put up with so much crap with the trimble situation, it's not the non drivers fault but the drivers already get the short straw by basically being a driver.

Just use your seniority to jump onto a processing or collections duty at the closest MC next auction then, like the rest of us.. Easy to take the weight off your feet

No such thing as duty auctions in MCs, only realignments where duty hours get realigned to match arrival and dispatch times. Every MC has got a realignment coming up so arrival and dispatch times must be changing.

There's zero chance of anyone moving to MCs these days, the DDA duties are already spoken for and anyone who leaves is replaced with casuals/agency. You'll need to be able to drive anyway to work at a MC as they're generally all located on industrial estates outside of towns.

[Londonsburning]

It would be wrong on all levels if they end up having every weekend off and that would create a two tier system which is pretty much already is now with the new and old contracts.

I presume you are on a so called legacy contract much like myself. Why are you kicking off about non-drivers, 100% of them being on the same contract as yourself, when new starts are paid £80 PW less than us? That is the real two tier system here.

It's not that I'm kicking off, it's the fact I've been reading comments from a few non drivers hoping they get Monday to Friday rotas.One on here recently commented on this thread to say bung the B*stards £20 a week on a Saturday to stop them moaning. We all would love two days off together each week but we can't get it. Drivers already have to put up with so much crap with the trimble situation, it's not the non drivers fault but the drivers already get the short straw by basically being a driver.

Just use your seniority to jump onto a processing or collections duty at the closest MC next auction then, like the rest of us.. Easy to take the weight off your feet

No such thing as duty auctions in MCs, only realignments where duty hours get realigned to match arrival and dispatch times. Every MC has got a realignment coming up so arrival and dispatch times must be changing.

There's zero chance of anyone moving to MCs these days, the DDA duties are already spoken for and anyone who leaves is replaced with casuals/agency. You'll need to be able to drive anyway to work at a MC as they're generally all located on industrial estates outside of towns.

I was being facetious. There used to be auctions back in the day for duties across the entire locality. You probably wouldn't remember that though.

[Sean06]

The real test of the CWU's partnership model of delivery is going to be when the larger workplaces start it. We all know it won't work because the very basics aren't right. Traffic speeds, call rates, attendance calls, delivery points, duty times, duties, contract variations, travel times and so on, all wrong. The CWU said everything had to be right before it started and then promptly said they had no idea how many duties there are across the operation.

Instead of taking on the regulator and telling it to get back in it's box, the CWU has colluded with the industry and regulator to squeeze more profit out of us. The CWU are the guilty party here. They could stop this all but are so integrated with the business that the certification officer should revoke its status as an independent trade union.

Get out of the CWU. Stop bank rolling their collusion.

Even if the cwu haven't got teeth anymore they are still helpful to alot of staff with individual problems don't you think,they've helped a lot of colleagues at my depot even stopped bullying.

He just likes to bash the union but never comes up with any ideas just like pwrfc clueless.

'he'. Can't women bash the union in your world? Too busy doing the dishes and ironing. Challenging a collaborating entity not something 'wimmin' do eh?

(HE) meaning you have you had a sex change???

[Londonsburning]

The real test of the CWU's partnership model of delivery is going to be when the larger workplaces start it. We all know it won't work because the very basics aren't right. Traffic speeds, call rates, attendance calls, delivery points, duty times, duties, contract variations, travel times and so on, all wrong. The CWU said everything had to be right before it started and then promptly said they had no idea how many duties there are across the operation.

Instead of taking on the regulator and telling it to get back in it's box, the CWU has colluded with the industry and regulator to squeeze more profit out of us. The CWU are the guilty party here. They could stop this all but are so integrated with the business that the certification officer should revoke its status as an independent trade union.

Get out of the CWU. Stop bank rolling their collusion.

Even if the cwu haven't got teeth anymore they are still helpful to alot of staff with individual problems don't you think,they've helped a lot of colleagues at my depot even stopped bullying.

He just likes to bash the union but never comes up with any ideas just like pwrfc clueless.

'he'. Can't women bash the union in your world? Too busy doing the dishes and ironing. Challenging a collaborating entity not something 'wimmin' do eh?

(HE) meaning you have you had a sex change???

Would (YOU) have you a problem with that Aiden01???

[yubin282]

You can perhaps argue that a Mon-fri for non-drivers would make them accept the added fatigue but that's not the same as addressing fatigue.

You can't on the one hand accept that drivers are having to rotate every second day to manage fatigue and then on the other hand make a case that a non-driver can do five on the spin every single week.

A sensible solution would be to have a rota where nobody works more than 3 consecutive days.

[thefox]

Most likely non drivers will be given redundancy as they don't fit anymore and the walk covered by a (agency) driver.

Yeah...where you been getting that information from.

[thefox]

Voluntary or compulsory?

[Mr Rush]

Personally I think we should be capped at 10 miles a day, so any days which involve walking any further need to be reduced.

10 miles at the old Pegasus/GeoRoute average walking speed of 3mph limits you to an outdoor span of 3:20. We had that once upon a time - the problem is that with the progressive loss of indoor work there isn't another four hours of non-outdoor work to fill an FT day. You then have to contemplate making the job majority PT, and it is well known just how much PT staff clamour for whatever extra hours they can get to make ends meet.

[SpacePhoenix]

It would be wrong on all levels if they end up having every weekend off and that would create a two tier system which is pretty much already is now with the new and old contracts.

I presume you are on a so called legacy contract much like myself. Why are you kicking off about non-drivers, 100% of them being on the same contract as yourself, when new starts are paid £80 PW less than us? That is the real two tier system here.

It's not that I'm kicking off, it's the fact I've been reading comments from a few non drivers hoping they get Monday to Friday rotas.One on here recently commented on this thread to say bung the B*stards £20 a week on a Saturday to stop them moaning. We all would love two days off together each week but we can't get it. Drivers already have to put up with so much crap with the trimble situation, it's not the non drivers fault but the drivers already get the short straw by basically being a driver.

Just use your seniority to jump onto a processing or collections duty at the closest MC next auction then, like the rest of us.. Easy to take the weight off your feet

No such thing as duty auctions in MCs, only realignments where duty hours get realigned to match arrival and dispatch times. Every MC has got a realignment coming up so arrival and dispatch times must be changing.

There's zero chance of anyone moving to MCs these days, the DDA duties are already spoken for and anyone who leaves is replaced with casuals/agency. You'll need to be able to drive anyway to work at a MC as they're generally all located on industrial estates outside of towns.

I was being facetious. There used to be auctions back in the day for duties across the entire locality. You probably wouldn't remember that though.

I started in the early 2000s. Started off as a casual for the best part of a year before getting a contract

[norris9]

Personally I think we should be capped at 10 miles a day, so any days which involve walking any further need to be reduced.

10 miles at the old Pegasus/GeoRoute average walking speed of 3mph limits you to an outdoor span of 3:20. We had that once upon a time - the problem is that with the progressive loss of indoor work there isn't another four hours of non-outdoor work to fill an FT day. You then have to contemplate making the job majority PT, and it is well known just how much PT staff clamour for whatever extra hours they can get to make ends meet.

This makes no sense to me....

Google maps is telling me that a town nearby mine is 10.1 miles away and it takes 3 hours 45 minutes to walk that distance. It bases your walking speed at 3.1mph.

We aren't constantly walking either - we are moving the van, getting our next bag or trolley prepared, talking to the odd customer, waiting for our van-share partner, delivering parcels, stopping at front doors to post letters through etc.....

So how the heck does a 10 mile walking distance limit you to an outdoor span of 3 hours 20 minutes. It should be an outdoor span of around 4 hours and 30 minutes.

I get the fact that if your office chooses to work a 4 day week that your delivery span will be 5 hours+ which is going to take you well past 10 miles walking distance. I suppose if you do get that extra day off a week then capping us at 12 miles per day wouldn't be too bad.

Isn't it likely that on the 2nd class mail days the prep will take longer so maybe we'll be getting out on delivery later but with a later finish time.

[yubin282]

Personally I think we should be capped at 10 miles a day, so any days which involve walking any further need to be reduced.

10 miles at the old Pegasus/GeoRoute average walking speed of 3mph limits you to an outdoor span of 3:20. We had that once upon a time - the problem is that with the progressive loss of indoor work there isn't another four hours of non-outdoor work to fill an FT day. You then have to contemplate making the job majority PT, and it is well known just how much PT staff clamour for whatever extra hours they can get to make ends meet.

Yeah, the indoor work that’s always covered with OT ????

[enzio1272]

Yeah, the indoor work that’s always covered with OT ????
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Our delivery office has no overtime covering indoor work at the moment, but does pay a casual to come in early and make up door 2doors

[Londonsburning]

Personally I think we should be capped at 10 miles a day, so any days which involve walking any further need to be reduced.

10 miles at the old Pegasus/GeoRoute average walking speed of 3mph limits you to an outdoor span of 3:20. We had that once upon a time - the problem is that with the progressive loss of indoor work there isn't another four hours of non-outdoor work to fill an FT day. You then have to contemplate making the job majority PT, and it is well known just how much PT staff clamour for whatever extra hours they can get to make ends meet.

Yeah, the indoor work that’s always covered with OT ????

Yeah, we have about 12 regulars who do 2 hours docket on IPS and packet sorting most mornings, yet our start times have been pushed back to around 2 hours later over the last few years.
Make it make sense

[Londonsburning]

If anyone within the "decision making employees" at RM and CWU had any sort of integrity left, we wouldn't be in this situation. RM is nothing but a vehicle for income inequality for the very people who 'deliver the final mile.'
Delivery jobs are going to be obsolete within RM in the next 5 years, everything will be sold off for a quick profit to the detriment of Delivery T&C's and the CWU are enablers. The deception and lies from the CWU leadership is shocking and your charity, paying for their lifestyles is daylight robbery.