Why?

[aiden01]

Don't put words in other peoples mouths and you will not get told to do so and plagiarising is one thing altering or accusing is another fact never said yes ever!

You were proved wrong an told me to ( go f**k myself) short memory was only last weekend...its all in your own post,s don't deny so do deniy it it there for all to read i could edit your own post .

so
so how easy was that then mr know it all?

So how was easy was what??you still denying you were a yes man then suddenly a no..an don,t deny you said (go f**k yourself) am raging more at the mods on here for not picking up what you said.

Accusations without proof need a robust refutment show me the post where I said YES 100% will apologise if you find it never said YES so stop being a child. Prove it or be silent you do need to stop ranting on here your the one with both sides of the argument on here Never said YES to a deal though get your facts right show the post!

You said its common sense to accept it so either that was an admittance of accepting the deal or an admittance of a lack of common sense from you

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Well if only Joseph Goebbels did not kill himself you could be him here is the full transcript of the post:

There was a big kick off last time when the start and finish times changed and DTD payments for each item were stopped, but the deal was eventually voted in.

Fast forward and a big kick off is happening again. This vote might be as close as brexit, but when enough people finally realise that nothing ever stays the same in life then this deal will be voted in as well.

I think common sense will prevail and most will accept it but you can polish a turd so much it still stinks of s**t!

So where is the YES where do I say yes you have dropped you and your mate Adi right in the pile of Poo so get your facts right!

Ffs give up you were a yes man now changed your mind that is not a problem but please be honest with yourself. (So why the go f--k) aimed at me surely was not said because you thought you were in the right???

FFS both of you give up, just in case someone might click through to this thread hoping to read something interesting or informative that's actually related to the original post.

Why give up when i know i am 100% in the right???its like all threads on here it drifts away from original question.

[Burghboy]

24 min seasonal variation and 30 min flex could mean some days you are working 54 mins longer per shift, add in if your on delivery the 25-35 min less prep this could mean some are doing an extra 90 mins extra outdoor work per day.

Have you not read the agreement?

The seasonal variation is *inside* work and the flex is voluntary. Have you read it? Sections 1.2.4 and 1.2.5 for seasonal variation and section 2 for flex.

How naive, it’s not indoor, it’s at the start of you shift for the first year, that doesn’t mean indoor, so you will be ready to go out on your walk earlier, and that’s only for 1 year. The company will produce data that they lost x amount of money due to down time as we started too early that will give them the ammunition they need to ensure it’s at the end of your shift year 2 onwards..

And the flex is currently voluntary and has been for years, however that up for discussion in the coming months in which the voluntary will be removed..

How are you working an extra 20 minutes at the beginning of your shift outdoors? So you didn’t read the agreement then, but now admit you were also wrong on flex. Progress.

If your indoor work takes you 2 hours it doesn’t matter what your start time is it will still take 2 hours, if you start 24 mins earlier then you will go on delivery 24 mins earlier, so will spend 24 mins more outdoor, am not really sure what part of that you don’t understand it’s pretty simple.
As for flex I was not wrong, it’s up for discussion to be mandatory at the company’s request.

[k979aaa]

The burden of proof has not been achieved where did I say YES I asked you and all you can come up with this " Why give up when i know i am 100% in the right???its like all threads on here it drifts away from original question." That is not proof if I took you to court I would win just like the Rooney trial do not say stuff you cannot substantiate in a court on here!

[Linden14]

Yawn

[Wullie10]

Maybe this agreement doesn't specifically say anything about the length of walks but the future doesn't look like the job is going to get easier with either a yes or a no.

I've been loaned out several times to different delivery offices - five so far. I have never heard that the walks are going to get smaller. Quite the opposite. It's always "three walks are being removed" or "two walks must come out" etc. Why "must" they? Just because they say so. Plus there is always a bit of collapsing/lapsing/absorption (pick your term) during the week.

They can make the duties up to have 2000 calls. You still only have to work your contracted hours.

I never understood why postmen don't get this .. so many have made time over the years they probably think its a right and are prepared to strike over it. Of course the management have taken a sledge hammer approach but your hours are still the same regardless of the size of the round.

[Acca Dacca]

Don't put words in other peoples mouths and you will not get told to do so and plagiarising is one thing altering or accusing is another fact never said yes ever!

You were proved wrong an told me to ( go f**k myself) short memory was only last weekend...its all in your own post,s don't deny so do deniy it it there for all to read i could edit your own post .

so
so how easy was that then mr know it all?

So how was easy was what??you still denying you were a yes man then suddenly a no..an don,t deny you said (go f**k yourself) am raging more at the mods on here for not picking up what you said.

Accusations without proof need a robust refutment show me the post where I said YES 100% will apologise if you find it never said YES so stop being a child. Prove it or be silent you do need to stop ranting on here your the one with both sides of the argument on here Never said YES to a deal though get your facts right show the post!

You said its common sense to accept it so either that was an admittance of accepting the deal or an admittance of a lack of common sense from you

viewtopic.php?p=1050522#p1050522

Well if only Joseph Goebbels did not kill himself you could be him here is the full transcript of the post:

There was a big kick off last time when the start and finish times changed and DTD payments for each item were stopped, but the deal was eventually voted in.

Fast forward and a big kick off is happening again. This vote might be as close as brexit, but when enough people finally realise that nothing ever stays the same in life then this deal will be voted in as well.

I think common sense will prevail and most will accept it but you can polish a turd so much it still stinks of s**t!

So where is the YES where do I say yes you have dropped you and your mate Adi right in the pile of Poo so get your facts right!

You are just being silly now

Explain why saying “common sense will prevail and most will accept it” can mean anything other than you thought accepting the deal was the right decision even if you didn’t like what was on offer

[k979aaa]

Don't put words in other peoples mouths and you will not get told to do so and plagiarising is one thing altering or accusing is another fact never said yes ever!

You were proved wrong an told me to ( go f**k myself) short memory was only last weekend...its all in your own post,s don't deny so do deniy it it there for all to read i could edit your own post .

so
so how easy was that then mr know it all?

So how was easy was what??you still denying you were a yes man then suddenly a no..an don,t deny you said (go f**k yourself) am raging more at the mods on here for not picking up what you said.

Accusations without proof need a robust refutment show me the post where I said YES 100% will apologise if you find it never said YES so stop being a child. Prove it or be silent you do need to stop ranting on here your the one with both sides of the argument on here Never said YES to a deal though get your facts right show the post!

You said its common sense to accept it so either that was an admittance of accepting the deal or an admittance of a lack of common sense from you

viewtopic.php?p=1050522#p1050522

Well if only Joseph Goebbels did not kill himself you could be him here is the full transcript of the post:

There was a big kick off last time when the start and finish times changed and DTD payments for each item were stopped, but the deal was eventually voted in.

Fast forward and a big kick off is happening again. This vote might be as close as brexit, but when enough people finally realise that nothing ever stays the same in life then this deal will be voted in as well.

I think common sense will prevail and most will accept it but you can polish a turd so much it still stinks of s**t!

So where is the YES where do I say yes you have dropped you and your mate Adi right in the pile of Poo so get your facts right!

You are just being silly now

Explain why saying “common sense will prevail and most will accept it” can mean anything other than you thought accepting the deal was the right decision even if you didn’t like what was on offer

Not the same as YES and I am not advocating the way anyone should vote just saying most will use their common sense and most will accept it, Is not saying YES never did so be factually correct on this if Adyo1 wants to throw his toys out of the pram he can go forth and multiply. I don't really care how anyone votes this will be the end of the matter for me as I am vindicated!

[Acca Dacca]

How can the vote be accepted without more people voting YES than NO?

You said that acceptance of the deal was common sense.

Therefore you thought that a YES vote was common sense.

Just give up and quit the semantics ffs

I dont care that you have changed your mind. Thats what a mind is for.

[k979aaa]

How can the vote be accepted without more people voting YES than NO?

You said that acceptance of the deal was common sense.

Therefore you thought that a YES vote was common sense.

Just give up and quit the semantics ffs

I dont care that you have changed your mind. Thats what a mind is for.

I stand by my original post not your inference and twisted facts of a warped mind!

[Acca Dacca]

How can the vote be accepted without more people voting YES than NO?

You said that acceptance of the deal was common sense.

Therefore you thought that a YES vote was common sense.

Just give up and quit the semantics ffs

I dont care that you have changed your mind. Thats what a mind is for.

I stand by my original post not your inference and twisted facts of a warped mind!

Ive twisted nothing. Ive simply put your words back to you.

You said that it was common sense to accept the deal.

Do you still believe that?

[k979aaa]

How can the vote be accepted without more people voting YES than NO?

You said that acceptance of the deal was common sense.

Therefore you thought that a YES vote was common sense.

Just give up and quit the semantics ffs

I dont care that you have changed your mind. Thats what a mind is for.

I stand by my original post not your inference and twisted facts of a warped mind!

Ive twisted nothing. Ive simply put your words back to you.

You said that it was common sense to accept the deal.

Do you still believe that?

Read the original post do not try to take things out of context missing out words quote the full post or don't post if you cannot do that!

[Acca Dacca]

How can the vote be accepted without more people voting YES than NO?

You said that acceptance of the deal was common sense.

Therefore you thought that a YES vote was common sense.

Just give up and quit the semantics ffs

I dont care that you have changed your mind. Thats what a mind is for.

I stand by my original post not your inference and twisted facts of a warped mind!

Ive twisted nothing. Ive simply put your words back to you.

You said that it was common sense to accept the deal.

Do you still believe that?

Read the original post do not try to take things out of context missing out words quote the full post or don't post if you cannot do that!

The argument isnt that you never thought the deal was crap

Its that you thought it should still be accepted

You clearly did think it should have been - why continue to pretend otherwise. Its fine to have changed your mind.

You still havent answered the question btw. Do you still believe that it is common sense to accept the deal?

[k979aaa]

How can the vote be accepted without more people voting YES than NO?

You said that acceptance of the deal was common sense.

Therefore you thought that a YES vote was common sense.

Just give up and quit the semantics ffs

I dont care that you have changed your mind. Thats what a mind is for.

I stand by my original post not your inference and twisted facts of a warped mind!

Ive twisted nothing. Ive simply put your words back to you.

You said that it was common sense to accept the deal.

Do you still believe that?

Read the original post do not try to take things out of context missing out words quote the full post or don't post if you cannot do that!

The argument isnt that you never thought the deal was crap

Its that you thought it should still be accepted

You clearly did think it should have been - why continue to pretend otherwise. Its fine to have changed your mind.

You still havent answered the question btw. Do you still believe that it is common sense to accept the deal?

Your trying to make a case that is not there by not using the original post that I stand by the way you are undermining yourself by being ignorant of the true facts and YES was never implied nor inferred. Yet as a second rate poster on here your trying to make a case you are wholly unable to do so any court in the land will dismiss your own inference as unsubstantiated codswallop!

[Acca Dacca]

Just answer the question

Do you still believe it is common sense to accept the deal? Yes or no?

[k979aaa]

Just answer the question

Did in the op and did just before get your facts right!