Why?

[richietns]

The CWU also accepted a two-tier workforce by allowing the company to recruit staff on less pay, terms and conditions. This is the road to the gig economy with a low paid, low skilled and high turnover workforce.

They didn't accept it,it was forced in by EA thats what the strikes were about.

[LouBarlow]

24 min seasonal variation and 30 min flex could mean some days you are working 54 mins longer per shift, add in if your on delivery the 25-35 min less prep this could mean some are doing an extra 90 mins extra outdoor work per day.

Have you not read the agreement?

The seasonal variation is *inside* work and the flex is voluntary. Have you read it? Sections 1.2.4 and 1.2.5 for seasonal variation and section 2 for flex.

[postslippete]

To some on this thread saying it does not mean you have to work harder, citing just do your job and finish on time. Well that's all very well until you realise that this agreement specifically makes it clear that performance standards will be changing.
You will not be able to work to your current standards unless that happens to match what they want you to do. If current standards were good enough then that would not be in the deal. So by definition people, will be expected to work harder. If not they will ultimately show you the door.

If your a good worker anyway whats the problem what your saying is the slackers will get found out.

Define a good worker. Is it one that rushes round throwing parcels over back fences with plenty of customer complaints but finishing well before time or one that actually starts on time, takes their break and works with due diligence using a LWT, taking the time to listen to their customers but ends up bringing back a loop or so because time has run out.

What RM are doing is pushing the former but still expecting the quality from the latter. Like the OP suggests you won't be able to work to those standards and still maintain the same level of quality.

[postslippete]

The CWU also accepted a two-tier workforce by allowing the company to recruit staff on less pay, terms and conditions. This is the road to the gig economy with a low paid, low skilled and high turnover workforce.

They didn't accept it,it was forced in by EA thats what the strikes were about.

The strikes were about many things. It's in this deal which the CWU leadership have now accepted with some vague promise of levelling them up.

[richietns]

To some on this thread saying it does not mean you have to work harder, citing just do your job and finish on time. Well that's all very well until you realise that this agreement specifically makes it clear that performance standards will be changing.
You will not be able to work to your current standards unless that happens to match what they want you to do. If current standards were good enough then that would not be in the deal. So by definition people, will be expected to work harder. If not they will ultimately show you the door.

If your a good worker anyway whats the problem what your saying is the slackers will get found out.

Define a good worker. Is it one that rushes round throwing parcels over back fences with plenty of customer complaints but finishing well before time or one that actually starts on time, takes their break and works with due diligence using a LWT, taking the time to listen to their customers but ends up bringing back a loop or so because time has run out.

What RM are doing is pushing the former but still expecting the quality from the latter. Like the OP suggests you won't be able to work to those standards and still maintain the same level of quality.

You want me to define a good worker come on...you can still have good standards but obviously the more work you have the less you can do but thats RMs problem.

[richietns]

The CWU also accepted a two-tier workforce by allowing the company to recruit staff on less pay, terms and conditions. This is the road to the gig economy with a low paid, low skilled and high turnover workforce.

They didn't accept it,it was forced in by EA thats what the strikes were about.

The strikes were about many things. It's in this deal which the CWU leadership have now accepted with some vague promise of levelling them up.

They have no choice but accept it..there doing it,strike or no strike.

[Burghboy]

24 min seasonal variation and 30 min flex could mean some days you are working 54 mins longer per shift, add in if your on delivery the 25-35 min less prep this could mean some are doing an extra 90 mins extra outdoor work per day.

Have you not read the agreement?

The seasonal variation is *inside* work and the flex is voluntary. Have you read it? Sections 1.2.4 and 1.2.5 for seasonal variation and section 2 for flex.

How naive, it’s not indoor, it’s at the start of you shift for the first year, that doesn’t mean indoor, so you will be ready to go out on your walk earlier, and that’s only for 1 year. The company will produce data that they lost x amount of money due to down time as we started too early that will give them the ammunition they need to ensure it’s at the end of your shift year 2 onwards..

And the flex is currently voluntary and has been for years, however that up for discussion in the coming months in which the voluntary will be removed..

[Flashman_]

To some on this thread saying it does not mean you have to work harder, citing just do your job and finish on time. Well that's all very well until you realise that this agreement specifically makes it clear that performance standards will be changing.
You will not be able to work to your current standards unless that happens to match what they want you to do. If current standards were good enough then that would not be in the deal. So by definition people, will be expected to work harder. If not they will ultimately show you the door.

If your a good worker anyway whats the problem what your saying is the slackers will get found out.

Define a good worker. Is it one that rushes round throwing parcels over back fences with plenty of customer complaints but finishing well before time or one that actually starts on time, takes their break and works with due diligence using a LWT, taking the time to listen to their customers but ends up bringing back a loop or so because time has run out.

What RM are doing is pushing the former but still expecting the quality from the latter. Like the OP suggests you won't be able to work to those standards and still maintain the same level of quality.

You want me to define a good worker come on...you can still have good standards but obviously the more work you have the less you can do but thats RMs problem.

Well you have actually already defined a good worker, in your original reply to me, anyone who does not meet your standard is a slacker, you suggest. You cannot win an discussion by switching perspectives when it suits. I Am glad you do see that the more work you have, the less you can do because RM has never seen it like that, and the point I was making is exactly that, what seems reasonable to you may well not be reasonable to RM.

[SpacePhoenix]

I can't see how the season variations could be an earlier start in DOs as the work won't be in any earlier. If anything I think that the start times will be later in DOs to accommodate the season variations in MCs (probably later dispatch times). In MCs they won't be having it at the start of shifts as the work won't be there

[richietns]

To some on this thread saying it does not mean you have to work harder, citing just do your job and finish on time. Well that's all very well until you realise that this agreement specifically makes it clear that performance standards will be changing.
You will not be able to work to your current standards unless that happens to match what they want you to do. If current standards were good enough then that would not be in the deal. So by definition people, will be expected to work harder. If not they will ultimately show you the door.

If your a good worker anyway whats the problem what your saying is the slackers will get found out.

Define a good worker. Is it one that rushes round throwing parcels over back fences with plenty of customer complaints but finishing well before time or one that actually starts on time, takes their break and works with due diligence using a LWT, taking the time to listen to their customers but ends up bringing back a loop or so because time has run out.

What RM are doing is pushing the former but still expecting the quality from the latter. Like the OP suggests you won't be able to work to those standards and still maintain the same level of quality.

You want me to define a good worker come on...you can still have good standards but obviously the more work you have the less you can do but thats RMs problem.

Well you have actually already defined a good worker, in your original reply to me, anyone who does not meet your standard is a slacker, you suggest. You cannot win an discussion by switching perspectives when it suits. I Am glad you do see that the more work you have, the less you can do because RM has never seen it like that, and the point I was making is exactly that, what seems reasonable to you may well not be reasonable to RM.

Its not my standard its a general standard which especially longer serving posties know,RM no the duties are to big whats your point,other people keep saying "you have a start and finishing time"this is correct,and I'm not out to win its a point of view.

[DirtyHarry]

To some on this thread saying it does not mean you have to work harder, citing just do your job and finish on time. Well that's all very well until you realise that this agreement specifically makes it clear that performance standards will be changing.
You will not be able to work to your current standards unless that happens to match what they want you to do. If current standards were good enough then that would not be in the deal. So by definition people, will be expected to work harder. If not they will ultimately show you the door.

If your a good worker anyway whats the problem what your saying is the slackers will get found out.

All good workers should get a pat on the head from Simon Thompson.
Nothing else, just a pat on the head.

[richietns]

A postman pat

[jahbalon]

Heard from a rep there is talk of a last minute offer to increase the lump sum from £500 to £1,500 just before the ballot.
Anybody else heard this ?

[LouBarlow]

24 min seasonal variation and 30 min flex could mean some days you are working 54 mins longer per shift, add in if your on delivery the 25-35 min less prep this could mean some are doing an extra 90 mins extra outdoor work per day.

Have you not read the agreement?

The seasonal variation is *inside* work and the flex is voluntary. Have you read it? Sections 1.2.4 and 1.2.5 for seasonal variation and section 2 for flex.

How naive, it’s not indoor, it’s at the start of you shift for the first year, that doesn’t mean indoor, so you will be ready to go out on your walk earlier, and that’s only for 1 year. The company will produce data that they lost x amount of money due to down time as we started too early that will give them the ammunition they need to ensure it’s at the end of your shift year 2 onwards..

And the flex is currently voluntary and has been for years, however that up for discussion in the coming months in which the voluntary will be removed..

How are you working an extra 20 minutes at the beginning of your shift outdoors? So you didn’t read the agreement then, but now admit you were also wrong on flex. Progress.

[enskied]

24 min seasonal variation and 30 min flex could mean some days you are working 54 mins longer per shift, add in if your on delivery the 25-35 min less prep this could mean some are doing an extra 90 mins extra outdoor work per day.

Have you not read the agreement?

The seasonal variation is *inside* work and the flex is voluntary. Have you read it? Sections 1.2.4 and 1.2.5 for seasonal variation and section 2 for flex.

How naive, it’s not indoor, it’s at the start of you shift for the first year, that doesn’t mean indoor, so you will be ready to go out on your walk earlier, and that’s only for 1 year. The company will produce data that they lost x amount of money due to down time as we started too early that will give them the ammunition they need to ensure it’s at the end of your shift year 2 onwards..

And the flex is currently voluntary and has been for years, however that up for discussion in the coming months in which the voluntary will be removed..

How are you working an extra 20 minutes at the beginning of your shift outdoors? So you didn’t read the agreement then, but now admit you were also wrong on flex. Progress.

Have you experienced how management invoke the flex agreement.?
Trust me Lou they bring it out like a hammer when they've f****d up.
Last one at ours was the day after a strike.!!
Then there was the one that was forecast two weeks in advance of a strike.
Flex is I ask you if you can. Not that you will when I say.