The deal : Business Recovery, Transformation and Growth Agreement

[datasaint]

Royal Mail won’t spend another year negotiating anything, they’ll bring this in by executive action.

Other people have said they need the unions agreement for later start times among other things? Don't know how true this is?

[CRIBMAD]

Why on earth has the Union agreed to £500 lump sum when they were offered the option of £1500 with the same 8% pay rise over 2yrs? Are they bloody thick or what? They sound it and are now showing it!!

I can’t understand it either, they say there in talks about another lump sum but that obviously won’t happen

it is quite hard to understand ! as people have said that £1500 would have been a sweetener for some and could have made the difference between a yes or NO vote - i hope they explain this cock up to us

[josetork]

I wasn’t expecting it to be great, but this is actually worse than I thought! I don’t understand where the two previously published options have gone? The pay offer is bad enough, but coupled with the flexi time, later starts/finishes and reduction in sick pay, it’s absolutely shite!!

Everyday I work my absolute arse off, I’m constantly in pain and knackered and this is what you get offered! It’s a f***in’ joke!

[chickenwittle]

No commitment to a 35 hour week , just a we will keep an eye on it and discuss it in the future.

[norris9]

Why on earth has the Union agreed to £500 lump sum when they were offered the option of £1500 with the same 8% pay rise over 2yrs? Are they bloody thick or what? They sound it and are now showing it!!

I don't think those 2 pay offers had any difference to them in terms of money we'd get in total. The difference was that you would get more money up front with the £1,500.... for me the £1,500 lump sum option was the more enticing deal as anyone who wants to invest some money, pay off debt, splash out on something would want this deal and even if not, this is psychologically the better option....

So no idea why the CWU went with the £500 option. Maybe Royal Mail ended up removing the £1,500 option as maybe it's better for them not to be paying out masses of money right now and better to pay us over the space of a year....

I am sure the CWU will explain why the £1,500 option disappeared / hasn't been offered to us.

[heraldmoth]

Cwu dead in the water, disgusting

[KnowItAll]

2% thats already gone, had it already.
6% from Apr 23 plus £500 (which is equivalent to a one off 2% if you're paid £25k)
2% from April 24.

On the £25k example,
At the end of March 25 you will have had a salary increase up to £27,030

If the union had gone for the £1500 option, the salary at march 25 would have been exactly the same but you would have got an extra £1000 now

Think Ward needs to go back to school and re take maths.

Wrong. The £1500 lump sum came with 2% followed by 6%, whilst the £500 came with 6% followed by 2%.

If you took the 6% this year, your pay goes from 25k to 26.5k plus £500 lump sum =27k paid 23-24
If you take the 2% this year your pay goes to 25.5k plus £1500 lump sum =27k paid 23-24
So it's the same, and then your next pay rise sees you at 27,030 in both instances.

If the lump sum was pensionable then they both work out the same, if not then you're best off taking the £500 to improve your basic pay earlier.

[smartin1982]

Jesus, ive just read through the RM one having only initially seen the CWU version.

It's even worse.

[norris9]

The pay deal is ok for me. I remember back in December last year people in here were thinking we wouldn't even get 8%.

Not sure why the £1,500 version of the deal hasn't been offered.... but at the end of the day we get the same amount of money, but spaced out over the year.

10% is ok in my opinion. Even though I live in an expensive area of the country where house prices and rents are 20% to 50% higher than up north.


What did people want? 15%, 20%?, 30%?


Pay is the least concerning thing out of the whole deal. 4.30pm finish - sucks. Working short summers and long winters - sucks. I haven't even read about the sickness policy yet, but I bet it sucks.

[Minischoles]

Quite apart from the headline of an absolute dog of a pay rise - 10% over 3 years when inflation was 11% last year and is 10% now is utterly and completely inadequate, I mean FFS food prices are up nearly 20% alone, let alone energy prices, interest rates for mortgages, rent.

The 'pay rise' won't even cover how much more you're paying for food each week, let alone anything else.

Apart from that if you actually read through it, they've completely f****d it - so many terrible agreements in the document, jazzed up as 'this will save the business'

New parcel network agreed, with potentially pay per parcel deliveries - and if people don't agree to work in the new network, RM can do what they like to resource it.

New hires being sold down the river, with Sunday working being a requirement rather than voluntary - and again RM are free to resource how they want if people don't volunteer to do it.

Sick Pay f****d over - with RM free to re-implement the f***ing if absence rates go up, so better hope the entire business gets below 5% or you get SSP.

New attendence standards agreed to

Indoor prep time 'trial' to reduce the prep time as much as they can

New entrant contracts remaining, with the CWU set to 'review them as part of a joint working group' - and potentially introducing a new grade of employee subject to having to work sundays, the new parcel routes and flexible site working

Seasonal variations, with 39 hour work weeks in winter - which will also impact your annual leave and potentially f**k your holiday pay entitlement (due to the idiotic OT requirements to get it). This is on top of the 30 minute flex.

A national review of ALL duties - with a commitment to introduce any changes that arise from the review

Air network removal and the impact on Mail Centres - they quote a potential 90 minute change for the more distance Mail Centres

[chickenwittle]

The pay deal is ok for me. I remember back in December last year people in here were thinking we wouldn't even get 8%.

Not sure why the £1,500 version of the deal hasn't been offered.... but at the end of the day we get the same amount of money, but spaced out over the year.

10% is ok in my opinion. Even though I live in an expensive area of the country where house prices and rents are 20% to 50% higher than up north.


What did people want? 15%, 20%?, 30%?


Pay is the least concerning thing out of the whole deal. 4.30pm finish - sucks. Working short summers and long winters - sucks. I haven't even read about the sickness policy yet, but I bet it sucks.

It does.

[77SAMPOST77]

The pay deal is ok for me. I remember back in December last year people in here were thinking we wouldn't even get 8%.

Not sure why the £1,500 version of the deal hasn't been offered.... but at the end of the day we get the same amount of money, but spaced out over the year.

10% is ok in my opinion. Even though I live in an expensive area of the country where house prices and rents are 20% to 50% higher than up north.


What did people want? 15%, 20%?, 30%?


Pay is the least concerning thing out of the whole deal. 4.30pm finish - sucks. Working short summers and long winters - sucks. I haven't even read about the sickness policy yet, but I bet it sucks.

It is not 10% as it is spread over 3 years and that is 3.3% .

[datasaint]

The pay deal is ok for me. I remember back in December last year people in here were thinking we wouldn't even get 8%.

Not sure why the £1,500 version of the deal hasn't been offered.... but at the end of the day we get the same amount of money, but spaced out over the year.

10% is ok in my opinion. Even though I live in an expensive area of the country where house prices and rents are 20% to 50% higher than up north.

It's not a 10% deal though is it.

If it were a 10% deal then let's backdate it and start it from April 2022. That would be a deal worth having.

But as it is the 2% from April 2022 has been and gone, so why it include it in any mention of a deal starting from now, it's pure deception.

In reality we get 6% this year and 2% next. It's an agreed pay cut because of the effects of inflation.

[needadvice]

I'm almost believing that the CWU want the deal to be rejected, by not opting for the £1500 lump sum. Maybe they think if it gets rejected it'll strengthen their position when they enter negotiations again.

Very good point. Totally bizarre how they would even think we would accept it. How out of touch otherwise?

[chickenwittle]

The pay deal is ok for me. I remember back in December last year people in here were thinking we wouldn't even get 8%.

Not sure why the £1,500 version of the deal hasn't been offered.... but at the end of the day we get the same amount of money, but spaced out over the year.

10% is ok in my opinion. Even though I live in an expensive area of the country where house prices and rents are 20% to 50% higher than up north.

It's not a 10% deal though is it.

If it were a 10% deal then let's backdate it and start it from April 2022. That would be a deal worth having.

But as it is the 2% from April 2022 has been and gone, so why it include it in any mention of a deal starting from now, it's pure deception.

In reality we get 6% this year and 2% next. It's an agreed pay cut because of the effects of inflation.

To be fair we were never going to get an inflation matching pay deal , it’s really 8% over 2 years plus £500 lump sum ,I can live with that , it’s virtually everything else that I will vote no on.