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From a selfish perspective

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Edward Hunter
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From a selfish perspective

Post by Edward Hunter »

I do think the USO for letters needs to change.Lets be clear, the public in general would not care less if they got letters every other day.
Id take EVR at the drop of a hat to facilitate this. Thousands would do the same. We have an old workforce.
chickenwittle
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We all know we need to change but it needs to be agreed change with our union.
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Edward Hunter wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 22:12
I do think the USO for letters needs to change.Lets be clear, the public in general would not care less if they got letters every other day.
Id take EVR at the drop of a hat to facilitate this. Thousands would do the same. We have an old workforce.
The USO exists in name only.
There is very little scrutiny of the USO from the regulator.
The units are under no pressure to clear daily, and they take full advantage of it. Standards have dropped dramatically since Covid, and it was rinsed to the max in masking a lot of managerial ineptitude.

The global economic crisis and upcoming recession is their next crutch.

The business has been neglected and run into the ground over the last few years and the chickens are now coming home to roost.

There's no way anything will be the same again at Royal Mail.
derekm
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Totally agree with postperson they couldn’t care less about letters now. Parcels is the money maker now
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Parcels are the money maker but despite all the crap fed to us LETTERS take longer to deliver.so until they sort themselves out with a reasonable way of doing the job were a letter company first parcels 2nd.A huge amount of people can't drive what happens to them..
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postieblueshirt wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 05:56
Parcels are the money maker but despite all the crap fed to us LETTERS take longer to deliver.so until they sort themselves out with a reasonable way of doing the job were a letter company first parcels 2nd.A huge amount of people can't drive what happens to them..
Give/loan people money towards driving lessons? Might sound flippant, but I genuinely don't know.
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derekm wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 05:50
Totally agree with postperson they couldn’t care less about letters now. Parcels is the money maker now
How much do they make off D2Ds? They still love these even now we have become a parcel company.
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postieblueshirt wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 05:56
Parcels are the money maker but despite all the crap fed to us LETTERS take longer to deliver.so until they sort themselves out with a reasonable way of doing the job were a letter company first parcels 2nd.A huge amount of people can't drive what happens to them..
Redundancy? Fire and rehire on annualised hours? An ultimatum and a timeframe to get a licence? Nothing is off limits.
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kazardaimenu wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 07:01
postieblueshirt wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 05:56
Parcels are the money maker but despite all the crap fed to us LETTERS take longer to deliver.so until they sort themselves out with a reasonable way of doing the job were a letter company first parcels 2nd.A huge amount of people can't drive what happens to them..
Redundancy? Fire and rehire on annualised hours? An ultimatum and a timeframe to get a licence? Nothing is off limits.
Fire and rehire would have been unthinkable for a business of this stature a year ago, now we've reached a position where nobody is safe.

Time served, senioriity and loyalty used to be a huge positive to Royal Mail, now it's a millstone around their necks. They now want to get rid to pave the way for their cheaper options.
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Edward Hunter wrote:
22 Sep 2022, 22:12
I do think the USO for letters needs to change.Lets be clear, the public in general would not care less if they got letters every other day.
Id take EVR at the drop of a hat to facilitate this. Thousands would do the same. We have an old workforce.
Im with you offer evr and there will be an avalanche of people,or even buy down,i doubt this will happen ,one they couldn't replace everyone with the new poor wage ,terms and conditions and 2 unemployment is at an all time low,we were supposed to have 20 agency staff come in only 9 turned up and by the end of the week we only had 5 left,says it all really.
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Keep the one price go everywhere aspect of the USO but only deliver letters and standard parcels 3 days a week. Keep the current way of working but each van share partnership would cover 4 deliveries instead of 2 and alternate. Duty A and B delivered Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Duty C and D delivered Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. Single duty holders would cover 2 duties using the same principle. EVR offered on current terms to make any needed reductions in headcount. Savings used to maintain current terms and conditions and offer premium payment for voluntary Sunday working.
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Zicomurphy wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 09:18
Keep the one price go everywhere aspect of the USO but only deliver letters and standard parcels 3 days a week. Keep the current way of working but each van share partnership would cover 4 deliveries instead of 2 and alternate. Duty A and B delivered Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Duty C and D delivered Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. Single duty holders would cover 2 duties using the same principle. EVR offered on current terms to make any needed reductions in headcount. Savings used to maintain current terms and conditions and offer premium payment for voluntary Sunday working.
Nice idea in theory regarding the A and B, plus C and D, but we all saw in reality what happened when duties were supposed to be rotated during the height of covid absences. 6 days a week service for some duties, once or twice a fortnight for others.
All too easy to fail a duty an extra day if it's already been sitting for a few.
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kazardaimenu wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 06:59
derekm wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 05:50
Totally agree with postperson they couldn’t care less about letters now. Parcels is the money maker now
How much do they make off D2Ds? They still love these even now we have become a parcel company.
Well they still deliver letters to up to 30 million addresses daily, i dont give a monkeys what they say about the decline, you cant tell me thats not a MASSIVE amount of money coming in. They reckon they are STILL delivering 8 BILLION letters a year. Why dont they charge a pound a letter no matter who it is?
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Cucumber wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 09:45
EVR offered on current terms to make any needed reductions in headcount.
Given that so many on here have said Sunday working means they're leaving, why would they offer EVR to anyone?
That EVR ship sailed long since.
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Tman wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 09:50
Cucumber wrote:
23 Sep 2022, 09:45
EVR offered on current terms to make any needed reductions in headcount.
Given that so many on here have said Sunday working means they're leaving, why would they offer EVR to anyone?
That EVR ship sailed long since.
no idea, you've quoted the wrong person. :chuckle