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Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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pieoftheday
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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Woody Guthrie wrote:
12 May 2022, 15:14
pieoftheday wrote:
12 May 2022, 15:10
Right, so if a tracked item or special item goes missing or gets damaged in transit, who makes the claim for compensation? The person who actually paid royal mail has to make the claim ie the customer :Very Happy
Right so, If you break someone's gate or damage their car walking up the drive who makes the claim for compensation?

The non-customer?
That really has diddly to do with how royal mail works, if you damage someones property that someone could have a claim against you
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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pieoftheday wrote:
12 May 2022, 15:17
Woody Guthrie wrote:
12 May 2022, 15:14
pieoftheday wrote:
12 May 2022, 15:10
Right, so if a tracked item or special item goes missing or gets damaged in transit, who makes the claim for compensation? The person who actually paid royal mail has to make the claim ie the customer :Very Happy
Right so, If you break someone's gate or damage their car walking up the drive who makes the claim for compensation?

The non-customer?
That really has diddly to do with how royal mail works, if you damage someones property ,that someone could have a claim against you
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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I understand why some say the people we deliver to are customers, they are, but when it comes to leaving things in a 'safe place' or proof of delivery, the customer is the one that actually pays the postage to RM
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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pieoftheday wrote:
12 May 2022, 15:05
What does going out for a meal have to do with how royal mail works?
Acca Dacca stated that a customer is someone who buys a good or service.
That is the basis of his argument. It is clearly false.

For whatever blinkered reason he seems to want there to be only one customer - the one who is paying.
I was trying to demonstrate that in other situations someone who doesn't pay is still a customer.
There can be more than one customer.
Clear now?
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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Just to stir the OT pedantary pot a bit more.....

CSP - Customer Service Point - do we refuse to give 739'd parcels to recipients at the customer service point as they're
not the 'customer'? :crazy: :crazy:
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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pieoftheday wrote:
12 May 2022, 15:30
I understand why some say the people we deliver to are customers, they are, but when it comes to leaving things in a 'safe place' or proof of delivery, the customer is the one that actually pays the postage to RM
Nobody is arguing against that, the point is we have to consider both types of customers when we make decisions, that means in practice protecting the security and integrity of the item while at the same time not being so petty that we're asking customers to get out of their vehicle, go back and unlock the door so we can take a picture on the doorstep.

No-one in the three way contract actually wants that.
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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As much as the business can be you know what's etc, taking a fricking picture of a packet, like EVERYBODY else is doing is not the end of the world.
Contracts (work!) has been won because of this, and many more contracts (work!) will be won in the future.

I'm personally more worried about how fecking tight Clash is. :neutral:
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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clashcityrocker wrote:
12 May 2022, 14:57

So I will ask again.
If me and Mrs Clash go out for a meal and she is paying, is she the only customer?
What am I in this situation?
(Joke Warning) Because you're a Tightwad Clash, you could have at least split the bill with your Missus. :cuppa
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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Dorset Plodder wrote:
12 May 2022, 20:27
clashcityrocker wrote:
12 May 2022, 14:57

So I will ask again.
If me and Mrs Clash go out for a meal and she is paying, is she the only customer?
What am I in this situation?
(Joke Warning) Because you're a Tightwad Clash, you could have at least split the bill with your Missus. :cuppa
😂

Yeah come on, do a bit of docket and treat the poor lass for once you stinge!
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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Firstly it was a hypothetical situation. It would be erroneous to draw conclusions from it.
Secondly Mrs Clash earns 3x as much as me.
Thirdly nobody pays for their own birthday treat.
And lastly it is the 21st century and sisters are doing it for themselves.

Now back to the photographs. On delivery. Not of us.
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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clashcityrocker wrote:
13 May 2022, 05:49

Thirdly nobody pays for their own birthday treat.

Paul Heaton did for his 60th Birthday Bash :thumbup

Mind you, he's as wealthy as Simon Thompson, CEO
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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exetererica wrote:
10 May 2022, 19:22
What's difficult about doing the job right?

If your job is to get a picture of the door open, why the f**k would you submit a picture of someone's hand or someone sat in a car FFS

Don't take shortcuts. Protect your job, mortgage, marriage, etc

Either get the doorstep photo or take the parcel back to the depot.

What could be simpler
Had a Situation today, I was wondering how you would have dealt with it. :hmmmm
Needed to deliver a tracked parcel to a house in the sticks. On driving down their driveway (it's about 250m long) this women is loading her horse into a horse box, attached to her car, totally blocking the drive. Her husbands pulled up behind her in his car. They're both present but the house is a further 100m down the track.

Are you suggesting (from your previous post) that I stand there and fill out a 739, hand it over and return the Tracked Parcel to the office? Or should I have accompanied the Resident (holding the parcel) back down the drive to their house, had them open the door, taken a photo and then walked back to my van? :cuppa
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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Dorset Plodder wrote:
19 May 2022, 17:21
exetererica wrote:
10 May 2022, 19:22
What's difficult about doing the job right?

If your job is to get a picture of the door open, why the f**k would you submit a picture of someone's hand or someone sat in a car FFS

Don't take shortcuts. Protect your job, mortgage, marriage, etc

Either get the doorstep photo or take the parcel back to the depot.

What could be simpler
Had a Situation today, I was wondering how you would have dealt with it. :hmmmm
Needed to deliver a tracked parcel to a house in the sticks. On driving down their driveway (it's about 250m long) this women is loading her horse into a horse box, attached to her car, totally blocking the drive. Her husbands pulled up behind her in his car. They're both present but the house is a further 100m down the track.

Are you suggesting (from your previous post) that I stand there and fill out a 739, hand it over and return the Tracked Parcel to the office? Or should I have accompanied the Resident (holding the parcel) back down the drive to their house, had them open the door, taken a photo and then walked back to my van? :cuppa
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

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2yearpostie wrote:
19 May 2022, 17:35

Safeplace
Other
Horsebox
Pic with horsebox open and residents wellies.
Spookely enough that's exactly what I did! :shock: Put the parcel on the ramp of the horesbox and took a piccie. The Lady said, "They're going to think we live in a horsebox" :left:

We got to be able to use our common sense in this Business. There's not one size fits all. :cuppa
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.

Post by TopperGas »

I'd take a photo of the parcel on the car passenger seat to show it's been delivered to the customer, it's clearly a delivered to customer parcel rather than to a safe place, if the customer has taken possession of the parcel during your delivery.