That really has diddly to do with how royal mail works, if you damage someones property that someone could have a claim against youWoody Guthrie wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 15:14Right so, If you break someone's gate or damage their car walking up the drive who makes the claim for compensation?pieoftheday wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 15:10Right, so if a tracked item or special item goes missing or gets damaged in transit, who makes the claim for compensation? The person who actually paid royal mail has to make the claim ie the customer![]()
The non-customer?
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Photographic Proof of Delivery.
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pieoftheday
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
pieoftheday wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 15:17That really has diddly to do with how royal mail works, if you damage someones property ,that someone could have a claim against youWoody Guthrie wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 15:14Right so, If you break someone's gate or damage their car walking up the drive who makes the claim for compensation?pieoftheday wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 15:10Right, so if a tracked item or special item goes missing or gets damaged in transit, who makes the claim for compensation? The person who actually paid royal mail has to make the claim ie the customer![]()
The non-customer?
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
I understand why some say the people we deliver to are customers, they are, but when it comes to leaving things in a 'safe place' or proof of delivery, the customer is the one that actually pays the postage to RM
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
Acca Dacca stated that a customer is someone who buys a good or service.pieoftheday wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 15:05What does going out for a meal have to do with how royal mail works?
That is the basis of his argument. It is clearly false.
For whatever blinkered reason he seems to want there to be only one customer - the one who is paying.
I was trying to demonstrate that in other situations someone who doesn't pay is still a customer.
There can be more than one customer.
Clear now?
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yellowbelly
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
Just to stir the OT pedantary pot a bit more.....
CSP - Customer Service Point - do we refuse to give 739'd parcels to recipients at the customer service point as they're
not the 'customer'?

CSP - Customer Service Point - do we refuse to give 739'd parcels to recipients at the customer service point as they're
not the 'customer'?
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
Nobody is arguing against that, the point is we have to consider both types of customers when we make decisions, that means in practice protecting the security and integrity of the item while at the same time not being so petty that we're asking customers to get out of their vehicle, go back and unlock the door so we can take a picture on the doorstep.pieoftheday wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 15:30I understand why some say the people we deliver to are customers, they are, but when it comes to leaving things in a 'safe place' or proof of delivery, the customer is the one that actually pays the postage to RM
No-one in the three way contract actually wants that.
Only dead fish follow the current
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
As much as the business can be you know what's etc, taking a fricking picture of a packet, like EVERYBODY else is doing is not the end of the world.
Contracts (work!) has been won because of this, and many more contracts (work!) will be won in the future.
I'm personally more worried about how fecking tight Clash is.
Contracts (work!) has been won because of this, and many more contracts (work!) will be won in the future.
I'm personally more worried about how fecking tight Clash is.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
(Joke Warning) Because you're a Tightwad Clash, you could have at least split the bill with your Missus.clashcityrocker wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 14:57
So I will ask again.
If me and Mrs Clash go out for a meal and she is paying, is she the only customer?
What am I in this situation?
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
Dorset Plodder wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 20:27(Joke Warning) Because you're a Tightwad Clash, you could have at least split the bill with your Missus.clashcityrocker wrote: ↑12 May 2022, 14:57
So I will ask again.
If me and Mrs Clash go out for a meal and she is paying, is she the only customer?
What am I in this situation?![]()
Yeah come on, do a bit of docket and treat the poor lass for once you stinge!
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
Firstly it was a hypothetical situation. It would be erroneous to draw conclusions from it.
Secondly Mrs Clash earns 3x as much as me.
Thirdly nobody pays for their own birthday treat.
And lastly it is the 21st century and sisters are doing it for themselves.
Now back to the photographs. On delivery. Not of us.
Secondly Mrs Clash earns 3x as much as me.
Thirdly nobody pays for their own birthday treat.
And lastly it is the 21st century and sisters are doing it for themselves.
Now back to the photographs. On delivery. Not of us.
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
Paul Heaton did for his 60th Birthday Bash
Mind you, he's as wealthy as Simon Thompson, CEO
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
Had a Situation today, I was wondering how you would have dealt with it.exetererica wrote: ↑10 May 2022, 19:22What's difficult about doing the job right?
If your job is to get a picture of the door open, why the f**k would you submit a picture of someone's hand or someone sat in a car FFS
Don't take shortcuts. Protect your job, mortgage, marriage, etc
Either get the doorstep photo or take the parcel back to the depot.
What could be simpler
Needed to deliver a tracked parcel to a house in the sticks. On driving down their driveway (it's about 250m long) this women is loading her horse into a horse box, attached to her car, totally blocking the drive. Her husbands pulled up behind her in his car. They're both present but the house is a further 100m down the track.
Are you suggesting (from your previous post) that I stand there and fill out a 739, hand it over and return the Tracked Parcel to the office? Or should I have accompanied the Resident (holding the parcel) back down the drive to their house, had them open the door, taken a photo and then walked back to my van?
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
SafeplaceDorset Plodder wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 17:21Had a Situation today, I was wondering how you would have dealt with it.exetererica wrote: ↑10 May 2022, 19:22What's difficult about doing the job right?
If your job is to get a picture of the door open, why the f**k would you submit a picture of someone's hand or someone sat in a car FFS
Don't take shortcuts. Protect your job, mortgage, marriage, etc
Either get the doorstep photo or take the parcel back to the depot.
What could be simpler![]()
Needed to deliver a tracked parcel to a house in the sticks. On driving down their driveway (it's about 250m long) this women is loading her horse into a horse box, attached to her car, totally blocking the drive. Her husbands pulled up behind her in his car. They're both present but the house is a further 100m down the track.
Are you suggesting (from your previous post) that I stand there and fill out a 739, hand it over and return the Tracked Parcel to the office? Or should I have accompanied the Resident (holding the parcel) back down the drive to their house, had them open the door, taken a photo and then walked back to my van?![]()
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
Spookely enough that's exactly what I did!2yearpostie wrote: ↑19 May 2022, 17:35
Safeplace
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Pic with horsebox open and residents wellies.
We got to be able to use our common sense in this Business. There's not one size fits all.
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Re: Photographic Proof of Delivery.
I'd take a photo of the parcel on the car passenger seat to show it's been delivered to the customer, it's clearly a delivered to customer parcel rather than to a safe place, if the customer has taken possession of the parcel during your delivery.