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Structural revision

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clashcityrocker
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Re: Structural revision

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zz666 wrote:
30 Aug 2021, 11:07
Has any voluntary redundancy been offered with structural revisions?
Not in our revision - though I believe one was allowed to go with IHR just before it came in.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
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Re: Structural revision

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Are you using a prep plan that had become to be known as the John Dick plan ( hes sidekick to SDL
G.McAuley) as this been in the IR framework twice in 5 months in my DO
clashcityrocker wrote:
08 Aug 2021, 14:14
So one week in and it has been an unmitigated disaster.
I would guess that most of the van share duties only completed half the duty on Saturday.
Some of the HCT duties did their Tracked items and nothing else.

The duty span increased by 1 hour.
8 dedicated parcel duties were created. (These appear to be organised chaos)
About 10 part timers were made up to full time.
All part timers got an increase in their contracted hours.

The biggest problem (as far as I can see) is the dispatch time of 9 am is unachievable given the current arrival times of the mail.
If you are out an hour late then on a van share you lose 2 hours of delivery - which equates to failing half the duty every day.
Most of the van shares (unless performing overtime to complete) have only completed half a duty each day.
If the indoor is f****d then the outdoor has failed before you even start delivering.

The indoor work plan is childish gibberish.
It is a tired cliche but if you fail to plan you plan to fail.
Some of those involved in this revision would have been better off sitting in the corner with some crayons and a colouring book.
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Re: Structural revision

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Bob Cooney wrote:
03 Sep 2021, 08:35
Are you using a prep plan that had become to be known as the John Dick plan ( hes sidekick to SDL
G.McAuley)
No idea. G McAuley? I haven't heard that name in ages.
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Re: Structural revision

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clashcityrocker wrote:
03 Sep 2021, 15:52
Bob Cooney wrote:
03 Sep 2021, 08:35
Are you using a prep plan that had become to be known as the John Dick plan ( hes sidekick to SDL
G.McAuley)
No idea. G McAuley? I haven't heard that name in ages.
Must have a different SDL but hes the one for Grampian & Shetland etc Basically he ignores agreements /IR and uses pareto tools gets pulled up by Div reps and then instructs managers to ignore and carries on regardless and now the same Div Reps are allowing revisions to go ahead without review sign offs by reps etc
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Re: Structural revision

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clashcityrocker wrote:
08 Aug 2021, 14:14
The biggest problem (as far as I can see) is the dispatch time of 9 am is unachievable given the current arrival times of the mail.
You've got absolutely no chance of final dispatch times being made any earlier from MCs, we're just clearing some nights now and it's not even autumn pressure yet. If anything I think final dispatch times will get made later, probably by an hour or more, within the next year 2 years tops)
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Re: Structural revision

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clashcityrocker wrote:
03 Sep 2021, 15:52
Bob Cooney wrote:
03 Sep 2021, 08:35
Are you using a prep plan that had become to be known as the John Dick plan ( hes sidekick to SDL
G.McAuley)
No idea. G McAuley? I haven't heard that name in ages.
One of the few from the old days still in position.
The prep plan is a pile of garbage no real qualified planner would ever put their name to.
Only dead fish follow the current
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Re: Structural revision

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If we have just started our revision a week or so ago . Can it be done before the end of October? Or is it a full 14 weeks to do it.
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Re: Structural revision

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started our revision last week frames were all over the place why did they not get the duty holders to write out their own walks before they went live absolute carnage so much for being involved all the way down the line lying bastads :mad
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Re: Structural revision

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No input from staff across the board it seems .
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Re: Structural revision

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RM can't have the people that do the job actually contributing to how it should be done. WTF would we know!
Royal Mail
failing the workforce, failing the public and deliberately failing mail on a daily basis for too many years.
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Re: Structural revision

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Those who have there revision in place , how have you managed to do a whole office repick , people trained up on the new jobs so quickly ?
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Re: Structural revision

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fb1969 wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 18:29
RM can't have the people that do the job actually contributing to how it should be done. WTF would we know!
Chelseablue wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 18:27
No input from staff across the board it seems
The exact same things happened with the revision for van share started. Utter carnage, planners knew more than anyone else and had never done a day on delivery in their lives. Baring in mind this was 2010 and the planners made the walks 6 hours long back then. Staff had them sent out to do one of the duties and they came back after 2 hours because they couldn't manage it. Yet they still pocketed a 10 grand bonus when the whole thing got signed off. Utter madness and looks like royal mail hasn't learnt from its past mistakes and still views the staff as uneducated plebs.
themaze wrote:
04 Sep 2021, 21:57
Those who have there revision in place , how have you managed to do a whole office repick , people trained up on the new jobs so quickly ?
If the incompetent managers had any sense the nearer you all get to silly season the better it would be to do the repick afterwards and let the current duty holders put the new duties through their paces to iron out the issues. I know some offices around here are doing it that way.
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Re: Structural revision

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DOM/MCM level is probably the highest level of management that you could go up where they've had experience of the job. Above that they've probably had no experience of the job (either in a MC or DO)
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Re: Structural revision

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 09:58
DOM/MCM level is probably the highest level of management that you could go up where they've had experience of the job. Above that they've probably had no experience of the job (either in a MC or DO)
There was a time if my memory is correct that the last Postmaster General (as the top of tree was known back then) started out as a telegram boy and worked his way up through all the ranks, so knew the job inside out. Im sure I will be rightfully corrected if I am wrong.
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Re: Structural revision

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Marshamp11 wrote:
06 Sep 2021, 17:57
SpacePhoenix wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 09:58
DOM/MCM level is probably the highest level of management that you could go up where they've had experience of the job. Above that they've probably had no experience of the job (either in a MC or DO)
There was a time if my memory is correct that the last Postmaster General (as the top of tree was known back then) started out as a telegram boy and worked his way up through all the ranks, so knew the job inside out. Im sure I will be rightfully corrected if I am wrong.
That is the best response yet that's why the s**t is hitting the fan