Structural revision

[k979aaa]

The CWU have achieved a no compulsory redundancy agreement so if you want to say in Royal Mail you will be able to.

There will be new opportunities such as consumer collect , new parcel boxes and Sunday parcels etc , and other growth opportunities which will see jobs protected and new jobs created.

Economy Mail which is a real concern to all of us , has been created by Royal Mail to stem letter decline and to try and capture some of the DSA Mail.

Sadly I have been in the job for now 36 years and I don’t think we will see letters return to collections boxes. To cost In a post box has to have at least 45 letters in per day for a collection, during 2020 only 6000 out of 130k had that amount averaged over a week,

Not trying to scare you ! Simply putting the facts to you.

It depends where the post boxes are located people still post letters and will always do so. But the future is packets parcels and shipments that is clear to see the network of post offices is crucial to the survival of RM!

[Martin Walsh]

K979 of course it does High streets , stations and shopping centres are key , but in 2020 only 6000 post boxes generated more than 20 letter per box averaged per week.

This is why More will go to be collected on delivery rather than a stand alone collection route. If Royal Mail Could they would remove circa 50 thousand pillar boxes from circulation as they no longer need them.

[clashcityrocker]

We are talking about just rest day SA’s how will that in itself employ new employees ?

Do you really not know?
For every 5 full time staff who work their rest day as SA then there is no need for a rest day cover. That job opportunity has been done away with.
The opportunity to move from p/t hours to full time hours. That then leaves p/t vacancies and the opportunity to move from unemployment to employment.

Is it really too hard to understand?

[Dorset Plodder]

This is why More will go to be collected on delivery rather than a stand alone collection route. If Royal Mail Could they would remove circa 50 thousand pillar boxes from circulation as they no longer need them.

Firstly thanks for participating in the conversation. I know it can sometimes get a bit confrontational, but it's good to get a perspective from someone with access to some Facts. And by contrast I hope it helps you to get some Grassroots feeling about how some of these changes are being perceived by the workforce.

I already empty several Letter Boxes whilst on Delivery, I don't have a problem with that, and as I have a van it causes me no problems whatsoever. If Collections were taken out of my office it wouldn't cost any Jobs, we have several "Collection Duties" but they're done on SA. It just means those guys would lose some OT.

I understand people are not posting letters as they used to. However I feel we should not do away with all the smaller boxes (especially in Rural Areas). I feel moving them onto Collection by the Postman Delivering is not too onerous. Otherwise it's just another nail in the coffin to Society, along with closing Banks Branches, Post Offices, High Street Shops, The Cashless Society! Older people still need to post letters LOCALLY.

[Deadly]

So basically, if you're a dedicated collection driver, get looking for a transfer.

[Schiff]

So basically, if you're a dedicated collection driver, get looking for a transfer.

I wouldn't think so. Who do you think will be collecting all of those parcels that we hope to bring the most money into RM? They simply won't be wasting their time driving to pillar boxes that the delivery guys have already walked past, simply to collect a dozen letters.

If anything, to cope with increased parcel traffic, I suspect that a dedicated collection driver is exactly what you want to be.

[Woody Guthrie]

Most of our parcel work is business to customer, although there probably will be an increase in returns I don't think companies like Ebay and Not on the High St are ever going to drive enough customer to customer business to make dedicated parcel collections a thing.

Most of the lost collection duties will end up as parcel delivery duties.

For full-time members they could be hybrid letters then parcels duties which is not something I would fancy but if you want to stay on a back shift there may not be much option.

[HTPostman]

What they tend to do to fiddle it through the books is leave it on the system as A\L and then the following week put through 38 hrs OT.
This makes it look like they've taken their annual leave.

That’s exactly what they do. No Wally weeks here.

To respond to the other guy, it’s probably the second easiest round I’ve done here, that’s why she always does a 6 day week plus like I say works all but 1 or 2 weeks annual leave.

But then I’m constantly told by her it’s a difficult round, and much more difficult than XYZ rounds. Even though she hasn’t done those rounds for years. Whereas HTP here has done all those rounds within the last few months so feel I can give a more accurate viewpoint.

[Schiff]

Most of our parcel work is business to customer

Our dedicated collections drivers collect directly from businesses and their workload has gone through the roof in the last year as more and more businesses have moved to online selling. How do you think that their parcels get into the pipeline?

[Woody Guthrie]

Most of our parcel work is business to customer

Our dedicated collections drivers collect directly from businesses and their workload has gone through the roof in the last year as more and more businesses have moved to online selling. How do you think that their parcels get into the pipeline?

I'm aware of that but direct collection from business is relatively small and this does not come even close to replacing the work lost from post box collections.

Nobody competed to empty post boxes, the distribution business is hugely competitive. Some businesses use their own distribution fleet to deliver parcels into the pipeline, others sub contract the work.

[clashcityrocker]

So one week in and it has been an unmitigated disaster.
I would guess that most of the van share duties only completed half the duty on Saturday.
Some of the HCT duties did their Tracked items and nothing else.

The duty span increased by 1 hour.
8 dedicated parcel duties were created. (These appear to be organised chaos)
About 10 part timers were made up to full time.
All part timers got an increase in their contracted hours.

The biggest problem (as far as I can see) is the dispatch time of 9 am is unachievable given the current arrival times of the mail.
If you are out an hour late then on a van share you lose 2 hours of delivery - which equates to failing half the duty every day.
Most of the van shares (unless performing overtime to complete) have only completed half a duty each day.
If the indoor is f****d then the outdoor has failed before you even start delivering.

The indoor work plan is childish gibberish.
It is a tired cliche but if you fail to plan you plan to fail.
Some of those involved in this revision would have been better off sitting in the corner with some crayons and a colouring book.

[Manboat]

Duties too big, sequencing cocked up, pingdemic causing massive staff shortages, trays of mail not getting touched for days, non tracked parcels mounting up, Not a nice place to work at the moment, if it was like this permanently I’d be off, must get better soon.

[zz666]

When are structural revisions likely to take place? How long do they take to implement?

[clashcityrocker]

When are structural revisions likely to take place? How long do they take to implement?

Over the next 3 years.
It takes as long as it takes. It depends on your starting point.

Two full timers have quit by the end of the first week.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

Two full timers have quit by the end of the first week.

We had 3 senior people go within a week off seeing the new duty route maps. People have been leaving in droves at ours. Good knows what’s going to happen when it’s implemented.