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Structural revision

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2yearpostie
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Re: Structural revision

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so the full timers get an hour off and the part timers have an hour added, how is royal mail saving money?
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Re: Structural revision

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The doms on a big bonus to rush these changes through before christmas pressure?
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Re: Structural revision

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They seem very unrealistic with their 'out-on-delivery' times. According to our upcoming revision, It's a good hour (1hr 30 mins on Wed/Thurs) earlier than we currently achieve. What about the PT'ers who are happy with their current hours and don't want to come in 'prep' early? :hmmmm
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Re: Structural revision

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1560loopsayear wrote:
09 Aug 2021, 21:06
They seem very unrealistic with their 'out-on-delivery' times. According to our upcoming revision, It's a good hour (1hr 30 mins on Wed/Thurs) earlier than we currently achieve. What about the PT'ers who are happy with their current hours and don't want to come in 'prep' early? :hmmmm
They will have to go down the family friendly route.
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Re: Structural revision

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This is an absolute slow motion car crash happening to us all in real time. We are effed.

I do appreciate the CWU, we are definitely better for it.

But I also wonder if some of the leadership are so far removed from reality of life at the coalface that they get their priorities all confused and just sign us up for all kinds of shafting.
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Re: Structural revision

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Grumpyoldmailman wrote:
08 Aug 2021, 16:44
clashcityrocker wrote:
08 Aug 2021, 16:36
Two full timers have quit by the end of the first week.
We had 3 senior people go within a week off seeing the new duty route maps. People have been leaving in droves at ours. Good knows what’s going to happen when it’s implemented.
How much has been added to the average duty?
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Re: Structural revision

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Delivery span has gone from 3h 30 to 4h 30.
And it is 4 h 30.
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Zicomurphy
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Re: Structural revision

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clashcityrocker wrote:
10 Aug 2021, 21:13
Delivery span has gone from 3h 30 to 4h 30.
And it is 4 h 30.
If you’re only getting 4 and a half hour delivery spans introduced now I would say you’ve been quite lucky. That’s been the norm in our office and I’d imagine most others for quite some time.
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Re: Structural revision

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sindba wrote:
10 Aug 2021, 20:52
How much has been added to the average duty?
About 70/80 delivery points with less time to do it and apparently as there are more delivery points it can somehow be prepped quicker.
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Re: Structural revision

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Grumpyoldmailman wrote:
10 Aug 2021, 22:00
sindba wrote:
10 Aug 2021, 20:52
How much has been added to the average duty?
About 70/80 delivery points with less time to do it and apparently as there are more delivery points it can somehow be prepped quicker.
Of course it can.

Just like using a LWT or Delivery to Neighbour was quicker. And collection on delivery. And scanning all 2d. And customer collect. None of it took longer.

But hey, at least the CWU won us another hour off the working week! That was important! (for some reason). Rise!
Dorset Plodder
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Re: Structural revision

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Zicomurphy wrote:
10 Aug 2021, 21:48
clashcityrocker wrote:
10 Aug 2021, 21:13
Delivery span has gone from 3h 30 to 4h 30.
And it is 4 h 30.
If you’re only getting 4 and a half hour delivery spans introduced now I would say you’ve been quite lucky. That’s been the norm in our office and I’d imagine most others for quite some time.
I'd tend to agree. We've had some 5 hrs 30 min deliveries for years! :shock: I realise every DO is different, but are there offices out there that are actually finishing way before time, on a regularl basis. There must be in order for RM to make statements like "On Average our staff only have a 3 hrs 30mins delivery span"? :hmmmm

I'm willing to take anyone's word that they're workload's increased, however I feel some colleagues need to take an honest look at their duties and say, "Am I actually working so hard"? If you are fair dos, but we all know characters that claim they've never stopped for a meal break, have to run to get finished in time, have the biggest duty in the office etc. :Boo hoo! But when they want to they'll get finished well in time. :cuppa
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Re: Structural revision

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Dorset Plodder wrote:
11 Aug 2021, 21:55
Zicomurphy wrote:
10 Aug 2021, 21:48
clashcityrocker wrote:
10 Aug 2021, 21:13
Delivery span has gone from 3h 30 to 4h 30.
And it is 4 h 30.
If you’re only getting 4 and a half hour delivery spans introduced now I would say you’ve been quite lucky. That’s been the norm in our office and I’d imagine most others for quite some time.
I'd tend to agree. We've had some 5 hrs 30 min deliveries for years! :shock: I realise every DO is different, but are there offices out there that are actually finishing way before time, on a regularl basis. There must be in order for RM to make statements like "On Average our staff only have a 3 hrs 30mins delivery span"? :hmmmm

I'm willing to take anyone's word that they're workload's increased, however I feel some colleagues need to take an honest look at their duties and say, "Am I actually working so hard"? If you are fair dos, but we all know characters that claim they've never stopped for a meal break, have to run to get finished in time, have the biggest duty in the office etc. :Boo hoo! But when they want to they'll get finished well in time. :cuppa
It's the mix of mail that's changed over the last few years. Flats and letters are way down, packets are up a fair bit and Tracked is up massively
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Re: Structural revision

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How van you factor in all this with the craziest period not far away ? Dosent make any sense . Do they actually listen to the workforce ? No , just throw it in and we wont notice!
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Re: Structural revision

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SpacePhoenix wrote:
12 Aug 2021, 06:42
It's the mix of mail that's changed over the last few years. Flats and letters are way down, packets are up a fair bit and Tracked is up massively
Your certainly right about the tracked SP. They've gone manic lately. :crazy: I've had an interesting few days recently trying to clear a backlog of mail. Like many DOs we're struggling with staff shortages and more duties than usual are being failed.

One day I concentrated on several days worth of packets, centered around the Tracked and Specials, with the accompanying mail and perhaps the neighbours as well (if it was for example a small close).

The following day had that days Packets & Parcels, as usual .... but nearly all the mail not taken the day before, as well as that day's. We also had a bulk posting that we spread over several days, so there was still a fair ammount left in the frame.

It did give me an up to date comparision of the differences between the "Parcel" day and the "Letters" day. (It took me 20 mins longer on the "Letters" day). Not a very scientific study but my duty has been developed over the years to deliver Parcels & Packets rather than really long loops of letters. I found it a lot easier on the "Parcels" day. :cuppa
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mjd24
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Re: Structural revision

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clashcityrocker wrote:
10 Aug 2021, 21:13
Delivery span has gone from 3h 30 to 4h 30.
And it is 4 h 30.
Youve been on 3h 30 until now?!! Wowza thats shocking.