RICARD020191962 wrote:I don't actually think Martin was blaming Rico. My interpretation is that he was simply letting us know that a) he is bitter about his departure and b) he may be plotting his revenge. As for last years ballot debacle, yes the CWU screwed up but why continue to lambast them ? It won't change anything, what's done is done. The CWU is not the enemy in this dispute. We have had a snapshot of what is being discussed and just how difficult it is in the current economic climate to fight our corner. Let's wait and see the outcome before we start to judge. Personally, I think if we can strike a deal without compulsory redundancies we can claim a decent result and get on with making and dealing with the changes that need to be made going forward
this is how i feel, as long as i continue to work in the office im currently in doing something then im happy, not even that bothered about a pay rise.
Valid points! We all are in uncharted territory all this reduction in working hours etc etc can be parked IMO pay rise can be discussed at a later date! The way things are going outside the royal mail bubble needs to be taken very seriously another lockdown is definitely on the cards for next week probably for a 4 week period so that's the economy finished as is the furlough scheme and unfortunately it doesn't take brain of Britain to figure out that equals massive job losses country wide? So I think the CWU unfortunately has to shore up what we have now and if that is done without redundancies then that's a win for us (look at BT) don't get me wrong this is no way a perfect condition absolutely far from it but if we go down the "let's rise again" road then I feel and more importantly fear its going to end in tears (big time)
Martin Walsh wrote:Another factor in this is we have an incredible bitter ex CEO Rico Back who created GLS who would like it back and holds significant shares in the background.
I would be bitter if someone had rocked up outside my house with a PA system and a projector.
Gotta agree that media bloke should of gone ages ago utter prat
They need us now like they never ever needed us we could get a deal tomorrow if the price is right all this is money because all the other s**t still happens today!
Woody Guthrie wrote:I think that idea that the staff are dinosaurs doesn't really hold water any more, the business has been run on a self funding commercial basis for at least 20 years and many of the staff now can't even remember the "good old days".
For a commercial organisation to employ so many people who simply aren't up to the job (managers and staff) without any way of removing them from their positions is the "good old days."
I'm not sure many organisations could post every month the numbers of people reaching 50 and 40 years service like RM can.
And the idea that it doesn't matter if we make a loss because the government will just bail us out comes from a different era as well.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
To be honest I'm not really interested that much in a pay rise which would probably give me an extra tenner a week. There are so many bigger issues. The state of delivery offices is one. A lot are not fit for purpose, disgustingly dirty and haven't be decorated or maintained for years.
All I can say is that I am go glad I am leaving the business/service on Dec 4th 2020. All the best to those of you who are staying.
It is not the place it was and I think it is only going to get harder.
stephen500 wrote:All I can say is that I am go glad I am leaving the business/service on Dec 4th 2020. All the best to those of you who are staying.
It is not the place it was and I think it is only going to get harder.
I am finally handing in my notice after my next weeks leave! Put it off too long! Did you get or going to get the £750 if you leave and take NRA65 at the same time?
If Royal Mail is really about to die then the Government will be forced to bail us out anyway.
There is a quote elsewhere (Royal Mail share chat) that the managers are running RM like a private business (which it now is) while the staff still think it is a nationalised company.
Why should the government bail us out?
Obviously each office/area is different, but whilst our higher up area management run like a private company, local management on the whole is about as public sector as it gets. Most of them want out as they are constantly robbing Peter to pay Paul. I would stop well short of using the term 'dinosaurs' but there are a noticeable amount of staff in our unit that are simply dragging their heels each day looking for some mythical type of enhanced pay off, I think they will be waiting a while.
If Royal Mail is really about to die then the Government will be forced to bail us out anyway.
There is a quote elsewhere (Royal Mail share chat) that the managers are running RM like a private business (which it now is) while the staff still think it is a nationalised company.
Why should the government bail us out?
Obviously each office/area is different, but whilst our higher up area management run like a private company, local management on the whole is about as public sector as it gets. Most of them want out as they are constantly robbing Peter to pay Paul. I would stop well short of using the term 'dinosaurs' but there are a noticeable amount of staff in our unit that are simply dragging their heels each day looking for some mythical type of enhanced pay off, I think they will be waiting a while.
How do you change the style of Management , most of them have been promoted internally , while working for R M that is the only style of management they know
stephen500 wrote:All I can say is that I am go glad I am leaving the business/service on Dec 4th 2020. All the best to those of you who are staying.
It is not the place it was and I think it is only going to get harder.
I am finally handing in my notice after my next weeks leave! Put it off too long! Did you get or going to get the £750 if you leave and take NRA65 at the same time?
I was told you don't have to apply, but I will ring HR and RMPP to reconfirm them processing payment once I have left.
I aim to resign around the 4th Dec and take a weeks leave. Last pay date 18th Dec.
Took pension payment 1st Nov 2020 (lump sum) So I have thirteen weeks to leave after that date (double check that 13 weeks, But I am confident in my memory).
HR told me it can take a few weeks to process the money.
NB for people reading this later, you must take NRA65 and must do this before the new CDC scheme comes in.
stephen500 wrote:All I can say is that I am go glad I am leaving the business/service on Dec 4th 2020. All the best to those of you who are staying.
It is not the place it was and I think it is only going to get harder.
I am finally handing in my notice after my next weeks leave! Put it off too long! Did you get or going to get the £750 if you leave and take NRA65 at the same time?
I was told you don't have to apply, but I will ring HR and RMPP to reconfirm them processing payment once I have left.
I aim to resign around the 4th Dec and take a weeks leave. Last pay date 18th Dec.
Took pension payment 1st Nov 2020 (lump sum) So I have thirteen weeks to leave after that date (double check that 13 weeks, But I am confident in my memory).
HR told me it can take a few weeks to process the money.
NB for people reading this later, you must take NRA65 and must do this before the new CDC scheme comes in.
Good luck to you I still have a fair few years before thinking of retirement we all know the times others had pensions or lives were better pre Covid-19 not being a doom-monger but the post Covid-19 life for most will be one of work till you drop as pensions and thinking of tomorrow will be far from the here and now.
Any chance we might get a little insight (without breaching confidentiality) into how the talks are progressing Martin ? The clock is ticking towards the half yearly announcement and in particular was wondering if the JP Morgan announcement in the Times strengthened or weakened our position? I don't think I would be alone in stating that any news would be appreciated by the members.
RICARD020191962 wrote:Any chance we might get a little insight (without breaching confidentiality) into how the talks are progressing Martin ? The clock is ticking towards the half yearly announcement and in particular was wondering if the JP Morgan announcement in the Times strengthened or weakened our position? I don't think I would be alone in stating that any news would be appreciated by the members.
Ah mate they won’t update us plebs. Far too happy sitting on their inflated salaries mugging off the members. Are talks even still ongoing or are terry and Dave just sitting at home laughing their backsides off at what they are being paid?
Just to be clear I’m not having a go at Martin here but the other two need replaced, and the salaries lowered for who replaces them.
another lockdown is definitely on the cards for next week probably for a 4 week period so that's the economy finished as is the furlough scheme and unfortunately it doesn't take brain of Britain to figure out that equals massive job losses country wide? So I think the CWU unfortunately has to shore up what we have now and if that is done without redundancies then that's a win for us (look at BT) don't get me wrong this is no way a perfect condition absolutely far from it but if we go down the "let's rise again" road then I feel and more importantly fear its going to end in tears (big time)