World Class Safety Pillocks

[gluteus maximus]

It seems Royal Mail are starting to roll out world class health and safety pillar now in delivery offices. We all realise that this is to undermine the CWU H&S reps job

My question is, a Trade Union H&S rep receives training and has full legal protections and certification

What authority and protections do these world class H&S Pillars have, what legal
authority do they have in any individual office. Whose decision will take precedence, a certificated H&S rep, or a world class pillar

Are these world class pillars seen as some sort of "safety committee" as to the SRSC 1997 Regulations.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

It seems Royal Mail are starting to roll out world class health and safety pillar now in delivery offices. We all realise that this is to undermine the CWU H&S reps job

My question is, a Trade Union H&S rep receives training and has full legal protections and certification

What authority and protections do these world class H&S Pillars have, what legal
authority do they have in any individual office. Whose decision will take precedence, a certificated H&S rep, or a world class pillar

Are these world class pillars seen as some sort of "safety committee" as to the SRSC 1997 Regulations.

a CWU H+S Rep does not have any Authority to Stop work where as the world class pillar rep probably will, The CWU rep does not have the authority to stop work and only to make representations to the employer, and to conduct his/her own investigations and consult staff etc, as for who out ranks who it will make no difference as any h+s decision will be above their heads with the dom anyway and any disagreement with the doms decision would just need to be followed under the current disagreement process

[gluteus maximus]

Thank you for the response but who made any suggestions about stopping work??

That is a highly subjective response

My question still has not been answered though, please Anallise the question first before commenting

[Shambles]

Do you mean analyse? Patronising twat

[gluteus maximus]

i came onto this forum to ask a legitimate question for which i expected at least an educated response. If people do not know the answer then i expect them to say so. no one individual is an oracle. I myself thought this forum was a source of information to be shared for the benefit of all staff, not a willy waving exercise.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Thank you for the response but who made any suggestions about stopping work??

That is a highly subjective response

My question still has not been answered though, please Anallise the question first before commenting

ok no need to be rude, and if your going to suggest i analyse the question first, i suggest you analyse the facts before you pose it, there is no such thing as the SRSC 1997 regulations, get your facts right if your going to be rude, please

My answer then

let me put it this way

neither's decision will take precedence, the DOM is the one who makes the decisions not either of CWU rep or the Pillar, it will be up to him to weigh up the evidence presented by both parties and make a decision

as for protection, that protection applies equally to any individual employee whether, a normal employee, CWU H+S rep or Pillar, they are all protected the same under the Employment rights act 1996

[gluteus maximus]

Safety Representatives and Safety Committees Regulations 1977

1977 not 1997 typo

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

i came onto this forum to ask a legitimate question for which i expected at least an educated response. If people do not know the answer then i expect them to say so. no one individual is an oracle. I myself thought this forum was a source of information to be shared for the benefit of all staff, not a willy waving exercise.

you did get an educated answer, although maybe not as full an answer you wanted, you asked about authority among other things, i told you about the authority of both,

there was no need for you to start making rude comments to people who are only trying to help you, its not going to endear us to help you anymore so its not

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

Safety Representatives and Safety Committees Regulations 1977

yes i knew that but you made the mistake and then got on to me for trying to help you

[gluteus maximus]

If i seem blunt then i apologise, i require facts for which i can then substantiate, not peoples own personal opinions, it is nothing personal

[Shambles]

Willy waving exercise?

You won...hands down on that one, I'm not equipped to compete

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

If i seem blunt then i apologise, i require facts for which i can then substantiate, not peoples own personal opinions, it is nothing personal

i am giving you facts not opinions, you asked a very broad question, you got a broad repkly, ask something specific and you will get a specific reply possibly including parts of the act and where to look

[gluteus maximus]

The protections as you stated are in the Employment Rights Act, that will be section 100

Are these world class pillars recognised in any official capacity as a safety committee as to the SRSC Regulations

[fishtank]

Try PMing our resident H&S moderator. http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communit ... ile&u=2270" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I could have given you my semi-educated opinion but to be honest I couldn't be arsed with the aggravation..
Top Tip:If you want info learn to play nice with others.

[IcanthelpthewayIam]

The protections as you stated are in the Employment Rights Act, that will be section 100

Are these world class pillars recognised in any official capacity as a safety committee as to the SRSC Regulations

they are not considered a safety committee under the SRSC Regulations as they are not employee elected, however if a safety committee was set up they could be members of that committee as could any other employee not just union safety reps