Why some posties might be voting YES

[Hyrrokkin]

Voted NO - was not a difficult choice

[Chelseablue]

Big No at ours

[Chelseablue]

If you dont bother voting, please dont moan ever again.

[qwerty2]

If you dont bother voting, please dont moan ever again.

“ If you dont bother voting, ” - WHY ARE YOU IN THE UNION?

[postslippete]

I doubt any postie thinks DM26 is a good move, the problem is what happens if we vote No, as I can't see RM just accepting a No vote and then binning the USO Reforms.

Vote YES and you will get USO reforms
Vote NO and you will get USO reforms


The ODM is unlikely to be implemented straight away because it is in RM's interests to try and make it work, at least initially. The CWU's DM26 might appear to be less hardcore than ODM, but if this model only works when offices are “fully resourced” what happens once the deployment is over, the reps have signed it off and COMs are back under pressure to reduce costs?

DM26 is the ODM in all but name.

The CWU are giving up their main leverage without stronger guarantees secured upfront. Dave Ward mentions about the current environment that we are in but since the strikes, we have had:

1. Imposed revisions which have made our duties 20% bigger
2. Growing parcel traffic
3. Reduced sick pay/IHR which according to Grant McPherson was costing RM £250 million a year
4. Fewer indoor staff
5. USO failures as duties are deliberately not covered
6. More collections and customer services work
7. Overtime restrictions
8. And thousands of entrants on inferior terms

And yet despite all that we are told that the company is only breaking even….....….why?


RM nor the CWU can't keep banging on about competing with the gig economy in parcels because that didn't appear overnight did it? Online shopping has exploded and if parcel growth was supposed to be the future, why are we ending up with even bigger duties, lower terms for new entrants and worsening workloads? Are we competing against the gig economy or slowly becoming more like it ourselves? Considering that RM can't won't equalise new entrants NOW then they clearly have an agenda.

[Chelseablue]

Single duties will take the piss,, slow down even more, will be heavy reliant on team work,,, Imagine having some of the lazy drag there feet guys in your pods ,,,,, its sooo vague and a recipe for loads of arguements and stress. Seems just all over the place. A once simple job ,

[Hyrrokkin]

I doubt any postie thinks DM26 is a good move, the problem is what happens if we vote No, as I can't see RM just accepting a No vote and then binning the USO Reforms.

Vote YES and you will get USO reforms
Vote NO and you will get USO reforms


The ODM is unlikely to be implemented straight away because it is in RM's interests to try and make it work, at least initially. The CWU's DM26 might appear to be less hardcore than ODM, but if this model only works when offices are “fully resourced” what happens once the deployment is over, the reps have signed it off and COMs are back under pressure to reduce costs?

DM26 is the ODM in all but name.

The CWU are giving up their main leverage without stronger guarantees secured upfront. Dave Ward mentions about the current environment that we are in but since the strikes, we have had:

1. Imposed revisions which have made our duties 20% bigger
2. Growing parcel traffic
3. Reduced sick pay/IHR which according to Grant McPherson was costing RM £250 million a year
4. Fewer indoor staff
5. USO failures as duties are deliberately not covered
6. More collections and customer services work
7. Overtime restrictions
8. And thousands of entrants on inferior terms

And yet despite all that we are told that the company is only breaking even….....….why?


RM nor the CWU can't keep banging on about competing with the gig economy in parcels because that didn't appear overnight did it? Online shopping has exploded and if parcel growth was supposed to be the future, why are we ending up with even bigger duties, lower terms for new entrants and worsening workloads? Are we competing against the gig economy or slowly becoming more like it ourselves? Considering that RM can't won't equalise new entrants NOW then they clearly have an agenda.

Another great well argued post postslippete.

RM & CWU are in this together for the long game we all can see this.

RM keeps screwing us over while the CWU keeps collecting it's £20 million + subs.

[Duesouth]

Its a very simple 'NO' vote.

Nothing is going to improve, in fact it will get worse. No support from management, staff shortages everyday. If we vote Yes it means days of going out by yourself trying to clear 150+ parcels on top of first class mail adding on to even more stress by completing on time.

There's no chance that will ever happen which means either the mail fails or the tracks do. Having 3 folk concentrating on 4 walks will only work if they have staff fully attending, with no one being sick. If you have one person off sick in your group both of you in that group will be concentrating on two walks which in turn mail will keep on building up.

Vote Yes for more added stress.

[norris9]

If you dont bother voting, please dont moan ever again.

People actually think voting makes a difference?

Royal Mail has been diabolically run for the many years I've worked here. We've had to deliver 2 days' worth of mail once a week for 4 years now....


I know if I vote a YES vote will be bad and a NO vote will be bad. Voting no isn't going to make them come up with some new sparkly perfect plan.

[Mick100]

It’s a joke how some rounds are going out with a van filled to the brim and others are going out with one bag of letters and 4 big parcels

[raXor]

It’s a joke how some rounds are going out with a van filled to the brim and others are going out with one bag of letters and 4 big parcels

And then they will fail a heavy van share duty so that one of the partners covers just the parcels for the van share whilst the the other partner covers a different, usually much smaller, single duty with said 4 parcels.

Would be better to just fail the mail on the small duty and get a manager to deliver the 4 parcels.

[Perseus]

It’s a joke how some rounds are going out with a van filled to the brim and others are going out with one bag of letters and 4 big parcels

It's preposterous that they are trying to bring in 3 people doing 4 duties with singletons doing 50/50 when this level of variance in the workload exists under the same roof.
We've shared vans that do 200 tracked a day vs singletons who flirt around the edges of towns with 25 tracked a day. The latter being the pillar of the community with the time to talk to every customer and the former having a crazy workload each and every day. The latter now having to do only 50% of their walk each day and 'help out', the former having to absorb 1/3 more delivery points and juggle a crazy workload. Where do I sign up....

[Chelseablue]

If you dont bother voting, please dont moan ever again.

People actually think voting makes a difference?

Royal Mail has been diabolically run for the many years I've worked here. We've had to deliver 2 days' worth of mail once a week for 4 years now....


I know if I vote a YES vote will be bad and a NO vote will be bad. Voting no isn't going to make them come up with some new sparkly perfect plan.

Ill stick with my vote No , im voting because i dont agree with it, been in RM a lot of years too and always put my vote in. Whatever comes after this vote , so be it, pathetic when ppl dont vote.

[Chelseablue]

It’s a joke how some rounds are going out with a van filled to the brim and others are going out with one bag of letters and 4 big parcels

It's preposterous that they are trying to bring in 3 people doing 4 duties with singletons doing 50/50 when this level of variance in the workload exists under the same roof.
We've shared vans that do 200 tracked a day vs singletons who flirt around the edges of towns with 25 tracked a day. The latter being the pillar of the community with the time to talk to every customer and the former having a crazy workload each and every day. The latter now having to do only 50% of their walk each day and 'help out', the former having to absorb 1/3 more delivery points and juggle a crazy workload. Where do I sign up....

Great post and spot on.

[ted_e_bear]

It’s a joke how some rounds are going out with a van filled to the brim and others are going out with one bag of letters and 4 big parcels

It's preposterous that they are trying to bring in 3 people doing 4 duties with singletons doing 50/50 when this level of variance in the workload exists under the same roof.
We've shared vans that do 200 tracked a day vs singletons who flirt around the edges of towns with 25 tracked a day. The latter being the pillar of the community with the time to talk to every customer and the former having a crazy workload each and every day. The latter now having to do only 50% of their walk each day and 'help out', the former having to absorb 1/3 more delivery points and juggle a crazy workload. Where do I sign up....

Great post and spot on.

Absolutely spot on, that scenario describes our office, it will only get worse there is no chance whatsoever of the workload being shared out fairly if/when this bollocks is introduced