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[hewittinspain]

The problem is the RM ODM and what the Union Want couldn't be more further apart, it's not saving anywhere near what they want and it's not actually much better than what the postie's are doing now. These owners are stubborn, I think it's highly unlikely they will go for anything like what the union want.
6 into 8 sounds realistic and still a big sh1t show as it doesn't seem any better than the ODM.

[Gingerbread Fred]

Was Gingerbread Fred posting in jest? Am I wrong to take the contents of his post more or less at face value?

100% in jest. I'm just long in the tooth enough to have skimmed through what feels like 100's of Dave's "updates". Thankfully I no longer believe in them.

[tramssirhc]

Couldn’t give a flying bollocks what they choose to do as long as there are finish times and I don’t have to work one minute over it. Mail can sit in frames for a year for all I care, not our problem.
Get us a pay rise instead

That's not what the contract of employment says. Nor is it what the CWU agreed to. If you can do this day in, day out well done. Thx reality outside of your world is that workers are struggling to start and finish on the duty times. Indeed part of the problem is that unconditioned hours are being worked and that is not part of the work plan.

[tramssirhc]

Couldn’t give a flying bollocks what they choose to do as long as there are finish times and I don’t have to work one minute over it. Mail can sit in frames for a year for all I care, not our problem.
Get us a pay rise instead

I know your totally correct, but I just get stressed out and get in a panic at the mail just building up, I'm in a utter rush everyday, trays of mail and D2D on the floor, it seems all I have time to do is the damn tracked.

It's not totally correct at all. Contracts of employment and CWU agreements do not say this. Its great if you can enforce this but the reality is many workers can't.

[Pfrizzy10]

Couldn’t give a flying bollocks what they choose to do as long as there are finish times and I don’t have to work one minute over it. Mail can sit in frames for a year for all I care, not our problem.
Get us a pay rise instead

I know your totally correct, but I just get stressed out and get in a panic at the mail just building up, I'm in a utter rush everyday, trays of mail and D2D on the floor, it seems all I have time to do is the damn tracked.

It's not totally correct at all. Contracts of employment and CWU agreements do not say this. Its great if you can enforce this but the reality is many workers can't.

Does the CWU/contracts state that idiots should be coming into work early hours each week for free? No, yet the majority are. Absolute madness.
Also the reality is, if people are struggling to finish on their time, that’s their own choice! Nothing can be done if you choose to come back on your time each day. If that means not delivering a single letter, then that’s what it is. Work to your time, stop coming in for free, don’t do a single minute OT. Best thing you will do.

[tramssirhc]

Couldn’t give a flying bollocks what they choose to do as long as there are finish times and I don’t have to work one minute over it. Mail can sit in frames for a year for all I care, not our problem.
Get us a pay rise instead

I know your totally correct, but I just get stressed out and get in a panic at the mail just building up, I'm in a utter rush everyday, trays of mail and D2D on the floor, it seems all I have time to do is the damn tracked.

It's not totally correct at all. Contracts of employment and CWU agreements do not say this. Its great if you can enforce this but the reality is many workers can't.

Does the CWU/contracts state that idiots should be coming into work early hours each week for free? No, yet the majority are. Absolute madness.
Also the reality is, if people are struggling to finish on their time, that’s their own choice! Nothing can be done if you choose to come back on your time each day. If that means not delivering a single letter, then that’s what it is. Work to your time, stop coming in for free, don’t do a single minute OT. Best thing you will do.

The CWU did agree to unpaid overtime with a reciprocal method of being given any time worked back. Any unconditioned hours that are being worked should be recorded at the weekly resource meeting. Is your rep doing that?

[Pfrizzy10]

Couldn’t give a flying bollocks what they choose to do as long as there are finish times and I don’t have to work one minute over it. Mail can sit in frames for a year for all I care, not our problem.
Get us a pay rise instead

I know your totally correct, but I just get stressed out and get in a panic at the mail just building up, I'm in a utter rush everyday, trays of mail and D2D on the floor, it seems all I have time to do is the damn tracked.

It's not totally correct at all. Contracts of employment and CWU agreements do not say this. Its great if you can enforce this but the reality is many workers can't.

Does the CWU/contracts state that idiots should be coming into work early hours each week for free? No, yet the majority are. Absolute madness.
Also the reality is, if people are struggling to finish on their time, that’s their own choice! Nothing can be done if you choose to come back on your time each day. If that means not delivering a single letter, then that’s what it is. Work to your time, stop coming in for free, don’t do a single minute OT. Best thing you will do.

The CWU did agree to unpaid overtime with a reciprocal method of being given any time worked back. Any unconditioned hours that are being worked should be recorded at the weekly resource meeting. Is your rep doing that?

No idea, I’m not foolish enough to work for free and I’m not in the CWU either

[yellowbelly]

Couldn’t give a flying bollocks what they choose to do as long as there are finish times and I don’t have to work one minute over it. Mail can sit in frames for a year for all I care, not our problem.
Get us a pay rise instead

I know your totally correct, but I just get stressed out and get in a panic at the mail just building up, I'm in a utter rush everyday, trays of mail and D2D on the floor, it seems all I have time to do is the damn tracked.

It's not totally correct at all. Contracts of employment and CWU agreements do not say this. Its great if you can enforce this but the reality is many workers can't.

Does the CWU/contracts state that idiots should be coming into work early hours each week for free? No, yet the majority are. Absolute madness.
Also the reality is, if people are struggling to finish on their time, that’s their own choice! Nothing can be done if you choose to come back on your time each day. If that means not delivering a single letter, then that’s what it is. Work to your time, stop coming in for free, don’t do a single minute OT. Best thing you will do.

The CWU did agree to unpaid overtime with a reciprocal method of being given any time worked back. Any unconditioned hours that are being worked should be recorded at the weekly resource meeting. Is your rep doing that?

That agreement is surely not based on the magnitude and regularity of (or more like continuous) failures of mail. IIRC its based on ad-hoc extraordinary circumstances and it has to be reciprocated the same week.

[Playmail]

Wait till the proformance reviews start to kick in and you start get warnings for not clearing your walk in the time allocated because this is what's coming in the pipe line. Especially now they don't care if you leave and your replaced.

[hewittinspain]

Couldn’t give a flying bollocks what they choose to do as long as there are finish times and I don’t have to work one minute over it. Mail can sit in frames for a year for all I care, not our problem.
Get us a pay rise instead

I know your totally correct, but I just get stressed out and get in a panic at the mail just building up, I'm in a utter rush everyday, trays of mail and D2D on the floor, it seems all I have time to do is the damn tracked.

It's not totally correct at all. Contracts of employment and CWU agreements do not say this. Its great if you can enforce this but the reality is many workers can't.

Does the CWU/contracts state that idiots should be coming into work early hours each week for free? No, yet the majority are. Absolute madness.
Also the reality is, if people are struggling to finish on their time, that’s their own choice! Nothing can be done if you choose to come back on your time each day. If that means not delivering a single letter, then that’s what it is. Work to your time, stop coming in for free, don’t do a single minute OT. Best thing you will do.

People shouldn't be working a minute over but having said that our line manager started putting people on performance monitoring because they were delivering all their parcels but hardly taking mail and then when it was covered on the day off or annual leave other people were taking much more on your round and still finishing on time. As long as people actually make a good attempt then there should never be an issue but when they are delivering 100 parcels but only taking a row of mail then potentially they can pull you in and monitor you. It all depends on the office though but I'm guessing once changes come in the company will probably start to get a lot stricter with things. This is why they are trying to push older postie's out of the door, the company doesn't want a 50 year old postie on legacy contracts when they can get someone half their age on £2 a less doing more work for less money. Its obvious where RM are going with this. Unfair yes but getting away with doing bare minimum and just "finishing on your time" won't be something people will get away with for much longer.

[Playmail]

I can also see them leveling up them easy duties the most senior sit on our tieing them to a harder round with this odm

[ted_e_bear]

I can also see them leveling up them easy duties the most senior sit on our tieing them to a harder round with this odm

In our office there's quite a few low seniority people sitting on the nice duties they've just been put on after they became vacant.

[Acca Dacca]

The problem is the RM ODM and what the Union Want couldn't be more further apart, it's not saving anywhere near what they want and it's not actually much better than what the postie's are doing now. These owners are stubborn, I think it's highly unlikely they will go for anything like what the union want.
6 into 8 sounds realistic and still a big sh1t show as it doesn't seem any better than the ODM.

6 into 8 IS the exact same as 3 into 4

[Pfrizzy10]

Couldn’t give a flying bollocks what they choose to do as long as there are finish times and I don’t have to work one minute over it. Mail can sit in frames for a year for all I care, not our problem.
Get us a pay rise instead

I know your totally correct, but I just get stressed out and get in a panic at the mail just building up, I'm in a utter rush everyday, trays of mail and D2D on the floor, it seems all I have time to do is the damn tracked.

It's not totally correct at all. Contracts of employment and CWU agreements do not say this. Its great if you can enforce this but the reality is many workers can't.

Does the CWU/contracts state that idiots should be coming into work early hours each week for free? No, yet the majority are. Absolute madness.
Also the reality is, if people are struggling to finish on their time, that’s their own choice! Nothing can be done if you choose to come back on your time each day. If that means not delivering a single letter, then that’s what it is. Work to your time, stop coming in for free, don’t do a single minute OT. Best thing you will do.

People shouldn't be working a minute over but having said that our line manager started putting people on performance monitoring because they were delivering all their parcels but hardly taking mail and then when it was covered on the day off or annual leave other people were taking much more on your round and still finishing on time. As long as people actually make a good attempt then there should never be an issue but when they are delivering 100 parcels but only taking a row of mail then potentially they can pull you in and monitor you. It all depends on the office though but I'm guessing once changes come in the company will probably start to get a lot stricter with things. This is why they are trying to push older postie's out of the door, the company doesn't want a 50 year old postie on legacy contracts when they can get someone half their age on £2 a less doing more work for less money. Its obvious where RM are going with this. Unfair yes but getting away with doing bare minimum and just "finishing on your time" won't be something people will get away with for much longer.

They will never be able to force you to do more than your contracted hours, so finishing on time will always remain. As you say, do what you can do in your time, don’t take the piss and you will be fine.

[dazzler123]

On our sector we have unbalanced walks where some can complete, some are driving at 10mph to waste time, some have no chance of completing on a regular bassis. Management dont do anything as one said they can a least count on some walks being completed and box ticked, accepting the failed duties as inevitable. So some are on easy street whilst others suffer in plain sight. Great for morale