ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.
Mickeybrowneyes
Posts: 411
Joined: 12 Sep 2021, 06:18
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by Mickeybrowneyes »

In the agreement it says data can be used be understand and office and individual performance in a 'fair and consistent' way. This will include data from the PDA.
Leaves it very open for managers to use it if walks/offices are failing.
Why we are seeing it more now.
They dont have to watch them live. They get sent the data of all the PDAs the next day and each minute and location and time spent dormant is presented on screenshot with lines marking out the exact route.
postslippete
Posts: 4127
Joined: 14 Jul 2014, 16:27
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by postslippete »

Mickeybrowneyes wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 06:27
They get sent the data of all the PDAs the next day and each minute and location and time spent dormant is presented on screenshot with lines marking out the exact route.
Yeah, the agreement has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

It's not supposed to be used for performance monitoring but RM are trying to use it to optimise the outdoor workloads. As if the outdoors spans weren't big enough, they could question why you spent 20 minutes here and 10 minutes there because posties are being tracked. If a postie is failing to clear the 3 rounds of Tracked parcels or 3 days worth of mail, what do you think will happen? Do you not think it is likely that more pressure will be put on these managers who will in turn look at the PDA data and bring the posties to account as to why they are failing?
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
Mickeybrowneyes
Posts: 411
Joined: 12 Sep 2021, 06:18
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by Mickeybrowneyes »

The union admit it wasn't the best agreement but it got to the point where a deal had.to be struck and the reasons have been explained.
Personally I think the stuff around data and performance was the most dangerous part of it as it will lead to more performance managing and bullying tactics through the PDA data.
However as long as people aren't slipping off and idling for long periods while failing their work it shouldn't lead to conduct.
Few minutes here and there can be easily explained.
norris9
Posts: 2643
Joined: 27 Feb 2019, 17:32
Gender: Female

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by norris9 »

The PDA data in terms of speed should massively go in most posties favour. Without it - management just guess that you haven't worked hard enough based on what you bring back and are always wrong. I'd rather they used PDA actuals for speed as they'd then have to leave most of us alone.
Mickeybrowneyes
Posts: 411
Joined: 12 Sep 2021, 06:18
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by Mickeybrowneyes »

Yes exactly.
If people followed all the protocols too and ended up cutting off then the argument is there to add hours back.
Need to use it to our advantage.
How many people knock on neighbours doors or write out 739 cards.
postslippete
Posts: 4127
Joined: 14 Jul 2014, 16:27
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by postslippete »

Mickeybrowneyes wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 20:21
Yes exactly.
If people followed all the protocols too and ended up cutting off then the argument is there to add hours back.
Need to use it to our advantage.
How many people knock on neighbours doors or write out 739 cards.

Not to be antagonistic, but how many people are actually using the LWT's as a delivery method? I can count them on one hand in a delivery office of over 100 staff. I know this always falls on deaf ears (like starting on time and taking breaks) but if posties are expected to deliver 2 or 3 days worth of mail, why on earth would they still be trying to lug an overweight back on their bag if it isn't delivering to flats? It is this that will add the hours back.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
theotherone
Posts: 430
Joined: 04 Jun 2020, 21:58
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by theotherone »

postslippete wrote:
08 Apr 2025, 09:36
Mickeybrowneyes wrote:
07 Apr 2025, 20:21
Yes exactly.
If people followed all the protocols too and ended up cutting off then the argument is there to add hours back.
Need to use it to our advantage.
How many people knock on neighbours doors or write out 739 cards.

Not to be antagonistic, but how many people are actually using the LWT's as a delivery method? I can count them on one hand in a delivery office of over 100 staff. I know this always falls on deaf ears (like starting on time and taking breaks) but if posties are expected to deliver 2 or 3 days worth of mail, why on earth would they still be trying to lug an overweight back on their bag if it isn't delivering to flats? It is this that will add the hours back.
In my experience if you asked for a LWT trolley (yes despite it being mandatory) you were deemed a pain the ass and purposely trying to slow your delivery down, and life would be made difficult for you.
I regret it now because I've ruptured my ligaments and I'd say with 99% certainty it's from carrying bags.
Mickeybrowneyes
Posts: 411
Joined: 12 Sep 2021, 06:18
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by Mickeybrowneyes »

People just want to crack on a get the work done, I get it but if there was ever a time to do the job properly it's now.
Allot of talk of potential fatigue, we don't do ourselves many favours with that in the way we work.
kazardaimenu
Posts: 1391
Joined: 13 Apr 2022, 19:11
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by kazardaimenu »

This new way of working will fatigue us, the current way of working fatigues us but what can we do about it? I don’t think RM care.
Pidleypoo
Posts: 698
Joined: 17 Dec 2014, 10:05
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by Pidleypoo »

With what is coming you simply won’t have a choice other than to use a lwt.

Every loop will be 2 bags worth of stuff.

With longer delivery spans and heavier bags every single day of every month you’d have to ask why wouldn’t you use them ?
Barnacle
Posts: 2772
Joined: 13 Dec 2022, 16:58
Gender: Female
Location: Earth

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by Barnacle »

Use an LWT. Has to be done. If they want to triple the load, let them realise that tripling the load slows you down.

Of course they will try to add more on because you are using an LWT. So knowing weight limits and sticking to your own personal limit is important.

This pilot will not save them money.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
thefox
Posts: 1151
Joined: 24 Aug 2010, 20:09
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by thefox »

What are the weight limits?does it not get lighter the more bags you have, like it starts at 16kg for first bag 12kg for 2nd etc.
qwerty2
Posts: 2011
Joined: 30 Jun 2009, 00:42
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by qwerty2 »

Barnacle wrote:
09 Apr 2025, 07:07
Use an LWT. Has to be done. If they want to triple the load, let them realise that tripling the load slows you down.

Of course they will try to add more on because you are using an LWT. So knowing weight limits and sticking to your own personal limit is important.

This pilot will not save them money.
All our LWTs were chucked in the skip years ago!!!!!!!!!!!
funkflex55
Posts: 713
Joined: 04 Sep 2022, 22:58
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by funkflex55 »

Absolutely need LWT at ours with massive loops. And no, as above, the new way won't save money because RM have already been giving this level of service for years. All it will do is make people more accepting it once a week post.
SMS1969
Posts: 983
Joined: 28 Jun 2021, 11:36
Gender: Male

Re: Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

Post by SMS1969 »

Pidleypoo wrote:
09 Apr 2025, 06:48
With what is coming you simply won’t have a choice other than to use a lwt.

Every loop will be 2 bags worth of stuff.

With longer delivery spans and heavier bags every single day of every month you’d have to ask why wouldn’t you use them ?
Because for the ‘ macho men ‘ the word trolly is a swear word. I will be using one when this crap comes in.