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Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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tramssirhc
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

Post by tramssirhc »

Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:28
tramssirhc wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:25
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:23
tramssirhc wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:22
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 08:33
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:46
Barnacle wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:24
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:19
Barnacle wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:15
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:07
Barnacle wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 19:56
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 19:33

A person who has been named twice in articles by Rank, has been on FB complaining about being named as they didn’t speak to Rank.

Of course workers weren’t consulted on which units to choose for the pilots. If workers had a choice, no unit would be picked.
So someone who was never spoken to has been named even though no one ever spoke to them?
Yes. The veracity of sources is dubious.
How did they find out anyone's name if no one spoken to anyone?

I didn’t say they hadn’t spoken to anyone.
You definitely did. Twice.
No. If you read the words, you will see that I did not write ‘anyone’.

No one knows what Rank want. What is their aim? It says one thing and then is completely aggressive to anyone who questions them. They seem to be anti everyone and for no one.

And if what Rank want, can’t be summed up in a sentence, forget it.
Ah, so a person who has been named but doesn't dispute what the WSWS/SEP has reported, is unhappy they were named. Is that right?
They don’t want to be associated with Rank.
They don't want to be associated with the WSWS/SEP? There's no such thing as 'rank'.
Rank doesn’t exist? Yeah, I know.
Anyway, tell us what was said. What's the goss on FB.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

Post by Barnacle »

tramssirhc wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:55
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:28
tramssirhc wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:25
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:23
tramssirhc wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:22
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 08:33
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:46
Barnacle wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:24
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:19
Barnacle wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:15
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:07
Barnacle wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 19:56
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 19:33

A person who has been named twice in articles by Rank, has been on FB complaining about being named as they didn’t speak to Rank.

Of course workers weren’t consulted on which units to choose for the pilots. If workers had a choice, no unit would be picked.
So someone who was never spoken to has been named even though no one ever spoke to them?
Yes. The veracity of sources is dubious.
How did they find out anyone's name if no one spoken to anyone?

I didn’t say they hadn’t spoken to anyone.
You definitely did. Twice.
No. If you read the words, you will see that I did not write ‘anyone’.

No one knows what Rank want. What is their aim? It says one thing and then is completely aggressive to anyone who questions them. They seem to be anti everyone and for no one.

And if what Rank want, can’t be summed up in a sentence, forget it.
Ah, so a person who has been named but doesn't dispute what the WSWS/SEP has reported, is unhappy they were named. Is that right?
They don’t want to be associated with Rank.
They don't want to be associated with the WSWS/SEP? There's no such thing as 'rank'.
Rank doesn’t exist? Yeah, I know.
Anyway, tell us what was said. What's the goss on FB.
When asked what it is Rank want, you have no answer.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

Post by tramssirhc »

Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 10:14
tramssirhc wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:55
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:28
tramssirhc wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:25
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:23
tramssirhc wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 09:22
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 08:33
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:46
Barnacle wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:24
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:19
Barnacle wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:15
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 20:07
Barnacle wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 19:56
tramssirhc wrote:
22 Mar 2025, 19:33

A person who has been named twice in articles by Rank, has been on FB complaining about being named as they didn’t speak to Rank.

Of course workers weren’t consulted on which units to choose for the pilots. If workers had a choice, no unit would be picked.
So someone who was never spoken to has been named even though no one ever spoke to them?
Yes. The veracity of sources is dubious.
How did they find out anyone's name if no one spoken to anyone?

I didn’t say they hadn’t spoken to anyone.
You definitely did. Twice.
No. If you read the words, you will see that I did not write ‘anyone’.

No one knows what Rank want. What is their aim? It says one thing and then is completely aggressive to anyone who questions them. They seem to be anti everyone and for no one.

And if what Rank want, can’t be summed up in a sentence, forget it.
Ah, so a person who has been named but doesn't dispute what the WSWS/SEP has reported, is unhappy they were named. Is that right?
They don’t want to be associated with Rank.
They don't want to be associated with the WSWS/SEP? There's no such thing as 'rank'.
Rank doesn’t exist? Yeah, I know.
Anyway, tell us what was said. What's the goss on FB.
When asked what it is Rank want, you have no answer.
What the heck is 'rank'?
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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Their whole moniker is too long to remember so Rank will have to do. I’m sure the three of them knew who I meant.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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Will you two just get a room... :left:
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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Londonsburning wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:39
Will you two just get a room... :left:
His mam doesn’t allow him to have girls in his room.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:41
Londonsburning wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:39
Will you two just get a room... :left:
His mam doesn’t allow him to have girls in his room.
That's what a night in a Travelodge/Premier Inn is for, oh wait I forgot none of us can afford that now that we've all had our T&C's sold down the river by the CWU :d'oh!
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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Londonsburning wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:44
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:41
Londonsburning wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:39
Will you two just get a room... :left:
His mam doesn’t allow him to have girls in his room.
That's what a night in a Travelodge/Premier Inn is for, oh wait I forgot none of us can afford that now that we've all had our T&C's sold down the river by the CWU :d'oh!
Would have been worse without them.

Minimum wage, no paid breaks, no employer contribution on pension. Drastic shift changes. The list is endless.
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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Or maybe if the CWU had a backbone and stood their ground during the last round of strikes we would have been in a better position than this. CWU and RM don't give a f**k about delivery staff.
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

Post by tramssirhc »

moon71 wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:54
Londonsburning wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:44
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:41
Londonsburning wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:39
Will you two just get a room... :left:
His mam doesn’t allow him to have girls in his room.
That's what a night in a Travelodge/Premier Inn is for, oh wait I forgot none of us can afford that now that we've all had our T&C's sold down the river by the CWU :d'oh!
Would have been worse without them.

Minimum wage, no paid breaks, no employer contribution on pension. Drastic shift changes. The list is endless.
The reality: almost minimum wage, thousands get no paid break, employers contribution minimal, thousands getting drastic shift changes everyday. The list is endless.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

Post by Hyrrokkin »

tramssirhc wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 16:30
moon71 wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:54
Londonsburning wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:44
Barnacle wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:41
Londonsburning wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 13:39
Will you two just get a room... :left:
His mam doesn’t allow him to have girls in his room.
That's what a night in a Travelodge/Premier Inn is for, oh wait I forgot none of us can afford that now that we've all had our T&C's sold down the river by the CWU :d'oh!
Would have been worse without them.

Minimum wage, no paid breaks, no employer contribution on pension. Drastic shift changes. The list is endless.
:Very Happy The reality: almost minimum wage, thousands get no paid break, employers contribution minimal, thousands getting drastic shift changes everyday. The list is endless.
I see what you did there - excellent (I mean that-not trying to be ironic like some of the attention seeking 'look at me' posters !)

:Applause :Applause :Applause
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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Reply to Martin Walsh

There is nothing to retract from the World Socialist Web Site’s report on developments at Cumbernauld delivery office, where opposition arose among CWU members to the USO pilot.

Martin Walsh’s reply is a transparent damage limitation exercise to stem rank-and-file opposition to the Terms of Reference he co-signed with Royal Mail executives in December to ram through the pilot scheme at 37 delivery offices.

Unable to refute the factual account of the CWU’s role at Cumbernauld, he resorts to lies. His assertion that the WSWS and the Post Workers Rank-and-File Committee (PWRFC) are “calling for walks outs and rank and file disputes” is simply made up.

The PWRFC has called for workplace meetings so that CWU members can scrutinise Royal Mail’s plans for “USO reform” and their impact on jobs, working practices and the mail service, and to agree collective action to halt these attacks.

The CWU postal executive is in so deep with management that members’ exercising their basic democratic rights at a union meeting is equated with “unofficial action”!

Walsh’s reply confirms the position of the CWU: they agree with Kretinsky, Ofcom and the Starmer Labour government that the USO is “financially unsustainable” and that workers must foot the bill.
Walsh states, “no one should be in any doubt that when an independent regulator says that the current USO is no longer financially sustainable that it will change”.

His acknowledgment that Ofcom will proceed regardless of the pilot results, confirms the warnings made by the PWRFC that these trials are a fraud and the CWU executive will agree to anything.

Walsh’s claim that the current pilots are “leverage” designed to ensure that “members will benefit” from USO reform, is bogus. As the WSWS article stated: “The pilot scheme is a dress rehearsal for £300 million in cuts and mass job destruction via the dismantling of six-day-a-week letter deliveries to 32 million UK households.”

Walsh’s message is There Is No Alternative. It is the same argument Ward and Furey used to push through their “negotiators agreement” in April 2023, opening the floodgates to the biggest attack on postal workers’ terms and conditions in Royal Mail history.
Walsh is in no position to lecture anyone about defending postal workers.

The facts are that workers at Cumbernauld were denied even the right to vote on a resolution opposing the USO reform pilot. The CWU is now seeking to intimidate and attack any member who pushes back against the CWU’s pro-company agreements.

Postal workers should oppose the pile-on by Walsh against their colleagues at Cumbernauld and defend the democratic rights of all CWU members.
Walsh’s ridicule of a survey that found 85 percent of respondents have no trust in the CWU leadership shows who really has their “head in the sand” and how out-of-touch, arrogant, and unaccountable these bureaucrats have become.

The link to the WSWS article on Cumbernauld delivery office which Martin Walsh has reacted to with his diatribe is here https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025 ... -m18.html
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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stage3 wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 17:23


The PWRFC has called for workplace meetings so that CWU members can scrutinise Royal Mail’s plans for “USO reform” and their impact on jobs, working practices and the mail service, and to agree collective action to halt these attacks.

The CWU postal executive is in so deep with management that members’ exercising their basic democratic rights at a union meeting is equated with “unofficial action”!
''collective action'' aimed at halting the pilot and eventual reform that hasnt went through the proper process is ''unofficial action''

What would this collective action be and what protections would those taking part have from being disciplined or dismissed?

As much as you might have some good intentions, and im sure most postal workers can understand some of the sentiment, these are the first questions I, and others, would ask anyone from your group if they turned up at my office.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
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85% out of 300 odd who voted on a site with i think 70,000 odd members is really not a true poll.like ive already said the last agreement on here in a poll was a big no yet the agreement was voted in so stage 3 an your few members need to stop cwu bashing.
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Re: Cumbernauld delivery office: How the CWU is enforcing Royal Mail’s USO reform pilots

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Sean06 wrote:
23 Mar 2025, 20:47
85% out of 300 odd who voted on a site with i think 70,000 odd members is really not a true poll.like ive already said the last agreement on here in a poll was a big no yet the agreement was voted in so stage 3 an your few members need to stop cwu bashing.
At least people on here voted - not like the spineless idiots in the union who don’t bother voting on anything - like you :whistle
Most people in my office think the CWU sold us out :wave