Before we go round in circles and blame the CWU. I agree with you, however, I also asked you a question as you seem to be more knowledgable than me about the WSWS/SEP/PWRFC - when was the last time an organised workers rank and file movement in the UK stood up and changed things?tramssirhc wrote: ↑12 Mar 2025, 06:56
No one's going to do it for you and the CWU certainly won't. When was the last time the CWU stood up and changed things? The clowns in charge of the CWU at every level have all been there for decades. They are responsible for this mess. Organise yourselves, tell your rep it has to be different. Boot out the careerists.
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Royal Mail workers in Scotland speak against USO pilots: “The CWU is trying to dress this up”
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Re: Royal Mail workers in Scotland speak against USO pilots: “The CWU is trying to dress this up”
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
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Re: Royal Mail workers in Scotland speak against USO pilots: “The CWU is trying to dress this up”
It happens every day. Take the IWGB. They are constantly taking things into their own hands including organising workers in the postal industry. The IWGB have to organise some of the most precarious workers in GB.postslippete wrote: ↑12 Mar 2025, 16:19Before we go round in circles and blame the CWU. I agree with you, however, I also asked you a question as you seem to be more knowledgable than me about the WSWS/SEP/PWRFC - when was the last time an organised workers rank and file movement in the UK stood up and changed things?tramssirhc wrote: ↑12 Mar 2025, 06:56
No one's going to do it for you and the CWU certainly won't. When was the last time the CWU stood up and changed things? The clowns in charge of the CWU at every level have all been there for decades. They are responsible for this mess. Organise yourselves, tell your rep it has to be different. Boot out the careerists.
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Re: Royal Mail workers in Scotland speak against USO pilots: “The CWU is trying to dress this up”
The CWU admitted tonight that what's been said in the WSWS/SEP reporting is true. Tony Boulch admitted over 6000 routes are missing. Tony Boulch admitted the sorting equipment was never programmed. Sounds like the report was an example of real, on the ground journalism.
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Tony Bouch did not ‘admit’ any such thing. He said that the data had to be correct and it’s a well known fact that the data is inaccurate and so it had to all be amended to ensure pilots are operating on the correct data.tramssirhc wrote: ↑13 Mar 2025, 21:37The CWU admitted tonight that what's been said in the WSWS/SEP reporting is true. Tony Boulch admitted over 6000 routes are missing. Tony Boulch admitted the sorting equipment was never programmed. Sounds like the report was an example of real, on the ground journalism.
That’s not ‘admitting’ to some data crime, he just stated what hass to me done.
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More bullshit ffstramssirhc wrote: ↑13 Mar 2025, 21:37The CWU admitted tonight that what's been said in the WSWS/SEP reporting is true. Tony Boulch admitted over 6000 routes are missing. Tony Boulch admitted the sorting equipment was never programmed. Sounds like the report was an example of real, on the ground journalism.
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In response to the high lighted part, cwu reps are invited into staff resourcing meetings. To dress this up as cwu collusion is simply manipulative to the reader.Sean06 wrote: ↑13 Mar 2025, 22:54More bullshit ffstramssirhc wrote: ↑13 Mar 2025, 21:37The CWU admitted tonight that what's been said in the WSWS/SEP reporting is true. Tony Boulch admitted over 6000 routes are missing. Tony Boulch admitted the sorting equipment was never programmed. Sounds like the report was an example of real, on the ground journalism.
Another stage3 manipulative post bearing no truth but pushing an agenda.
Makes the reader distrust the PWRFC more and more with every half truth and manipulation of the facts.
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More bullshit from the CWU right enoughSean06 wrote: ↑13 Mar 2025, 22:54More bullshit ffstramssirhc wrote: ↑13 Mar 2025, 21:37The CWU admitted tonight that what's been said in the WSWS/SEP reporting is true. Tony Boulch admitted over 6000 routes are missing. Tony Boulch admitted the sorting equipment was never programmed. Sounds like the report was an example of real, on the ground journalism.
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Taking part in resource meetings is a very different thing to 'doing the rota'. Journalists can only report what their told. That's what the WSWS/SEP have done.moon71 wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 04:11In response to the high lighted part, cwu reps are invited into staff resourcing meetings. To dress this up as cwu collusion is simply manipulative to the reader.Sean06 wrote: ↑13 Mar 2025, 22:54More bullshit ffstramssirhc wrote: ↑13 Mar 2025, 21:37The CWU admitted tonight that what's been said in the WSWS/SEP reporting is true. Tony Boulch admitted over 6000 routes are missing. Tony Boulch admitted the sorting equipment was never programmed. Sounds like the report was an example of real, on the ground journalism.
Another stage3 manipulative post bearing no truth but pushing an agenda.
Makes the reader distrust the PWRFC more and more with every half truth and manipulation of the facts.
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Re: Royal Mail workers in Scotland speak against USO pilots: “The CWU is trying to dress this up”
What their told? Do you work for the CWU grammar department?tramssirhc wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 07:04Journalists can only report what their told. That's what the WSWS/SEP have done.
A half decent journalist would know that they have to verify the accuracy of what they are told and their sources.
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Re: Royal Mail workers in Scotland speak against USO pilots: “The CWU is trying to dress this up”
Even those on the Far Left can't be this naive, can they?tramssirhc wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 07:04Journalists can only report what their told. That's what the WSWS/SEP have done.
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That is what I would class as a sly dig. Bait evenclashcityrocker wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 07:38What their told? Do you work for the CWU grammar department?tramssirhc wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 07:04Journalists can only report what their told. That's what the WSWS/SEP have done.
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I'm not paid tens of thousands of pounds, money by the way that comes directly out of the pocket of honest decent postal workers, to play pretend TV and put out comms that aren't proofed.clashcityrocker wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 07:38What their told? Do you work for the CWU grammar department?tramssirhc wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 07:04Journalists can only report what their told. That's what the WSWS/SEP have done.
A half decent journalist would know that they have to verify the accuracy of what they are told and their sources.
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See my reply.Londonsburning wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 14:58That is what I would class as a sly dig. Bait evenclashcityrocker wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 07:38What their told? Do you work for the CWU grammar department?tramssirhc wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 07:04Journalists can only report what their told. That's what the WSWS/SEP have done.![]()
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You'd be stood in a pen putting your hand up hoping the overseer picked you if it wasn't for the 'far left'.Tman wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 09:45Even those on the Far Left can't be this naive, can they?tramssirhc wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 07:04Journalists can only report what their told. That's what the WSWS/SEP have done.
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No but you aren't going to pass your GCSE English Lit if you don't pay attention to detail.tramssirhc wrote: ↑14 Mar 2025, 15:29
I'm not paid tens of thousands of pounds, money by the way that comes directly out of the pocket of honest decent postal workers, to play pretend TV and put out comms that aren't proofed.
Have you finished Animal Farm yet?
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