Which part of the new delivery model is supposed to reduce fatigue?

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Over Xmas I did encounter a manager or two who seemed to think having a “van assistant” would somehow increase productivity. Having tried it a few times, usually on account of there being no spare van for the “van assistant” to go out with his own parcel route, it — predictably — was a complete disaster and actually ended up taking longer than if on your own…

If doing that on a parcel route which is over a large distance- then yeah - it isn't going to be efficient.

When running out of time and needing to clear the Tracked, managers in our office claim that it's more efficient if the van-driver goes and does parcels alone, while the passenger continues doing the typical letter/parcel loops. I am not so sure about this....

On a van-share round that is compact - going round together doing parcels can be quick. Driver doesn't have to keep stopping as much. As long as you manage it efficiently giving each person the same amount of parcels then it is efficient.

This was a mixture —parcels and packets off walks in the morning, so high density, followed by LATs in the afternoon.

Problems I saw:

1. When doing it on the Ad-Hoc, our respective PDAs didn’t update to show parcels delivered by the other, meaning there was constant confusion as to whether we had delivered certain parcels. You have to keep cancelling the route and reload in Outdoor to get it to update, and even then there is a lag.

2. It also didn’t help that my helpers were also much slower than me, meaning I was constantly waiting on them and couldn’t move on.

3. Lost opportunities to lose parcels with neighbours across the road who the other was delivering to, meaning we brought back way more 739’d work than necessary - esp as both helpers quite lazy with trying neighbours.

Maybe with some finessing it could be executed better, but I am most efficient on my own.

[Barnacle]

Over Xmas I did encounter a manager or two who seemed to think having a “van assistant” would somehow increase productivity. Having tried it a few times, usually on account of there being no spare van for the “van assistant” to go out with his own parcel route, it — predictably — was a complete disaster and actually ended up taking longer than if on your own…

If doing that on a parcel route which is over a large distance- then yeah - it isn't going to be efficient.

When running out of time and needing to clear the Tracked, managers in our office claim that it's more efficient if the van-driver goes and does parcels alone, while the passenger continues doing the typical letter/parcel loops. I am not so sure about this....

On a van-share round that is compact - going round together doing parcels can be quick. Driver doesn't have to keep stopping as much. As long as you manage it efficiently giving each person the same amount of parcels then it is efficient.

This was a mixture —parcels and packets off walks in the morning, so high density, followed by LATs in the afternoon.

Problems I saw:

1. When doing it on the Ad-Hoc, our respective PDAs didn’t update to show parcels delivered by the other, meaning there was constant confusion as to whether we had delivered certain parcels. You have to keep cancelling the route and reload in Outdoor to get it to update, and even then there is a lag.

2. It also didn’t help that my helpers were also much slower than me, meaning I was constantly waiting on them and couldn’t move on.

3. Lost opportunities to lose parcels with neighbours across the road who the other was delivering to, meaning we brought back way more 739’d work than necessary - esp as both helpers quite lazy with trying neighbours.

Maybe with some finessing it could be executed better, but I am most efficient on my own.

This is why parcel people should train indoors as posties for a few months before starting parcels, because two posties working together will not be faffing about with parcel lists on the pda and will rattle through delivering to an area much quicker than a DPR working on their own.

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Over Xmas I did encounter a manager or two who seemed to think having a “van assistant” would somehow increase productivity. Having tried it a few times, usually on account of there being no spare van for the “van assistant” to go out with his own parcel route, it — predictably — was a complete disaster and actually ended up taking longer than if on your own…

If doing that on a parcel route which is over a large distance- then yeah - it isn't going to be efficient.

When running out of time and needing to clear the Tracked, managers in our office claim that it's more efficient if the van-driver goes and does parcels alone, while the passenger continues doing the typical letter/parcel loops. I am not so sure about this....

On a van-share round that is compact - going round together doing parcels can be quick. Driver doesn't have to keep stopping as much. As long as you manage it efficiently giving each person the same amount of parcels then it is efficient.

This was a mixture —parcels and packets off walks in the morning, so high density, followed by LATs in the afternoon.

Problems I saw:

1. When doing it on the Ad-Hoc, our respective PDAs didn’t update to show parcels delivered by the other, meaning there was constant confusion as to whether we had delivered certain parcels. You have to keep cancelling the route and reload in Outdoor to get it to update, and even then there is a lag.

2. It also didn’t help that my helpers were also much slower than me, meaning I was constantly waiting on them and couldn’t move on.

3. Lost opportunities to lose parcels with neighbours across the road who the other was delivering to, meaning we brought back way more 739’d work than necessary - esp as both helpers quite lazy with trying neighbours.

Maybe with some finessing it could be executed better, but I am most efficient on my own.

This is why parcel people should train indoors as posties for a few months before starting parcels, because two posties working together will not be faffing about with parcel lists on the pda and will rattle through delivering to an area much quicker than a DPR working on their own.

Faffing around?! I rattled through 200 tracked today — four whole walks’ worth — plus 10 boxes, two customer collects, 5 specials, in just 4.5 hours outdoors. No postie in our depot, let alone region, comes anywhere close to how quickly I rattle through.

[claretandblue]

Over Xmas I did encounter a manager or two who seemed to think having a “van assistant” would somehow increase productivity. Having tried it a few times, usually on account of there being no spare van for the “van assistant” to go out with his own parcel route, it — predictably — was a complete disaster and actually ended up taking longer than if on your own…

If doing that on a parcel route which is over a large distance- then yeah - it isn't going to be efficient.

When running out of time and needing to clear the Tracked, managers in our office claim that it's more efficient if the van-driver goes and does parcels alone, while the passenger continues doing the typical letter/parcel loops. I am not so sure about this....

On a van-share round that is compact - going round together doing parcels can be quick. Driver doesn't have to keep stopping as much. As long as you manage it efficiently giving each person the same amount of parcels then it is efficient.

This was a mixture —parcels and packets off walks in the morning, so high density, followed by LATs in the afternoon.

Problems I saw:

1. When doing it on the Ad-Hoc, our respective PDAs didn’t update to show parcels delivered by the other, meaning there was constant confusion as to whether we had delivered certain parcels. You have to keep cancelling the route and reload in Outdoor to get it to update, and even then there is a lag.

2. It also didn’t help that my helpers were also much slower than me, meaning I was constantly waiting on them and couldn’t move on.

3. Lost opportunities to lose parcels with neighbours across the road who the other was delivering to, meaning we brought back way more 739’d work than necessary - esp as both helpers quite lazy with trying neighbours.

Maybe with some finessing it could be executed better, but I am most efficient on my own.

This is why parcel people should train indoors as posties for a few months before starting parcels, because two posties working together will not be faffing about with parcel lists on the pda and will rattle through delivering to an area much quicker than a DPR working on their own.

Faffing around?! I rattled through 200 tracked today — four whole walks’ worth — plus 10 boxes, two customer collects, 5 specials, in just 4.5 hours outdoors. No postie in our depot, let alone region, comes anywhere close to how quickly I rattle through.

I could do that with my eyes closed...

[Londonsburning]

Over Xmas I did encounter a manager or two who seemed to think having a “van assistant” would somehow increase productivity. Having tried it a few times, usually on account of there being no spare van for the “van assistant” to go out with his own parcel route, it — predictably — was a complete disaster and actually ended up taking longer than if on your own…

If doing that on a parcel route which is over a large distance- then yeah - it isn't going to be efficient.

When running out of time and needing to clear the Tracked, managers in our office claim that it's more efficient if the van-driver goes and does parcels alone, while the passenger continues doing the typical letter/parcel loops. I am not so sure about this....

On a van-share round that is compact - going round together doing parcels can be quick. Driver doesn't have to keep stopping as much. As long as you manage it efficiently giving each person the same amount of parcels then it is efficient.

This was a mixture —parcels and packets off walks in the morning, so high density, followed by LATs in the afternoon.

Problems I saw:

1. When doing it on the Ad-Hoc, our respective PDAs didn’t update to show parcels delivered by the other, meaning there was constant confusion as to whether we had delivered certain parcels. You have to keep cancelling the route and reload in Outdoor to get it to update, and even then there is a lag.

2. It also didn’t help that my helpers were also much slower than me, meaning I was constantly waiting on them and couldn’t move on.

3. Lost opportunities to lose parcels with neighbours across the road who the other was delivering to, meaning we brought back way more 739’d work than necessary - esp as both helpers quite lazy with trying neighbours.

Maybe with some finessing it could be executed better, but I am most efficient on my own.

This is why parcel people should train indoors as posties for a few months before starting parcels, because two posties working together will not be faffing about with parcel lists on the pda and will rattle through delivering to an area much quicker than a DPR working on their own.

Faffing around?! I rattled through 200 tracked today — four whole walks’ worth — plus 10 boxes, two customer collects, 5 specials, in just 4.5 hours outdoors. No postie in our depot, let alone region, comes anywhere close to how quickly I rattle through.

I could do that with my eyes closed...

Yup same here. In fact I would go as far as saying every single postie at my office would absolutely piss this with their eyes closed.

[kazardaimenu]

Over Xmas I did encounter a manager or two who seemed to think having a “van assistant” would somehow increase productivity. Having tried it a few times, usually on account of there being no spare van for the “van assistant” to go out with his own parcel route, it — predictably — was a complete disaster and actually ended up taking longer than if on your own…

Yeah it only really works if you have to turn the van around loads and the assistant can deliver the parcel in the meantime.

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Over Xmas I did encounter a manager or two who seemed to think having a “van assistant” would somehow increase productivity. Having tried it a few times, usually on account of there being no spare van for the “van assistant” to go out with his own parcel route, it — predictably — was a complete disaster and actually ended up taking longer than if on your own…

Yeah it only really works if you have to turn the van around loads and the assistant can deliver the parcel in the meantime.

For LATs it was quite nice staying in the warm van and turning around while he delivered, yeah.

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Yup same here. In fact I would go as far as saying every single postie at my office would absolutely piss this with their eyes closed.

You don’t have an office anymore, CarryingMgmnt. You’re an ex employee now, don’t you remember?

[kazardaimenu]

Honestly can't see how it takes longer,drivers pull into street and driver takes pkts for 2 or 3 doors and assistant takes 2 or 3 for other doors.

If you just have one parcel for that part of the street then the assistant is left with nothing to do.

[tramssirhc]

The majority of Delivery OPGs already drive. This is due to a combination of every who joined after 2010 as within their contract of employment an obligation to drive and the introduction of CDV van sharing from 2009.

The modelling shows that parcel drop rates increase from Wednesday to Saturday where it peaks.

Whilst the 1st class rates are circa 20% , the number of parcels and tracked will potential mean a singleton van will have a partner on a Saturday to assist the delivery of parcels for two routes.

Non drivers will also have indoor work which will be scheduled into their duty the Saturdays they will work.

Contrary to a lot of negative quotes on here , the actual sites where the pilot is being deployed are largely positive with what they are going to pilot.

However let’s be honest Holland , Germany and Denmark have all recently announced they are either cutting jobs or reducing the service due to letter decline and a very competitive parcel market.

Ofcom no friend to working people have said the current USO is financially unsustainable and have proposed to reduce it.

There is going to be change.it is therefore sensible that we pilot it in the units agreed to see the impact and benefits.

If they are good then we will reach an agreement on it , if not then we will not and no Labour Government is going to allow Royal Mail to impose a USO change.

It also important that you listen to the truth about what is happening in the Pilot sites all be it only Newton Mearns have currently gone live.

As someone who has posted on this site for over 20 years I will keep informing members wherever I can despite some of the comments by posters including political organisations who oppose every single thing but have never had an answer other than call for a rank and file movement which I have heard for 40 years.

The CWU has to protect 90 thousand members from what is going to happen from July with the

Even if everyone could drive under ODM there simply is not sufficient duties, even for those who drive. You have agreed to a 50% cut in duties on a Saturday. Ability to drive, or not, is not the issue. The CWU demanding profit from our labour is.

‘Modelling’ is only as good as the data that goes into it. The CWU can’t hide behind modelling when the very basics of the job aren’t right.

The modelling proves that it will not work so the CWU should stop supporting the 50% cut in jobs on a Saturday.

Creating false narratives does nothing to bring the membership on board. The dishonesty of the CWU is creating the negativity.

The CWU are like Ratner slagging off his chain of shops. You can talk the job down all you want but it doesn’t change the facts. This is a multi-billion pound industry. Seven billion letters don’t magically deliver themselves. Either stand up for postal workers or get out of the way.

That’s not what OFCOM have said. The regulator is demanding a profit from the delivery of letters. The CWU does not oppose this attack on workers and their jobs.

One minute the data proves the argument. Then the data is not reliable so it has to be trialled. The whole thing could be and has been modelled. The CWU does not need unwilling victims to suffer the consequences of the unions poor leadership that agreed trials.

The CWU has already reached an agreement on ODM and the CWU supports it. The only thing the right wing Labour administration is not going to allow is for decent hard working postal workers to be left alone.

Tell us the truth then. Not the myopic version of the truth. Workers are not going to believe a Union that is part of a three way attack on their jobs.

It is not a ringing endorsement of the CWU leadership and it’s persistent top down trade unionism to say the CWU has heard the cries of the rank and file for fourty years and ignored them. It is a frank admission of the failure of the UCW and CWU.

The history of the CWU is alive with all sorts of radical thinkers and ‘political organisations’. Without the Communist, Marxists and Trotskyists the CWU would not exist. Like it or not the rank and file are not going away and will not go gently into the night. The days of the CWU dictating to it’s members are over.

There are not 90,000 CWU members affected by this sell-out agreement. Every lie destroys credibility. So tell us the truth – what is going to happen in July?

[Idk]

Faffing around?! I rattled through 200 tracked today — four whole walks’ worth — plus 10 boxes, two customer collects, 5 specials, in just 4.5 hours outdoors. No postie in our depot, let alone region, comes anywhere close to how quickly I rattle through.

4 jobs? They must be tiny if they only have 50 tracked each

[Acca Dacca]

Over Xmas I did encounter a manager or two who seemed to think having a “van assistant” would somehow increase productivity. Having tried it a few times, usually on account of there being no spare van for the “van assistant” to go out with his own parcel route, it — predictably — was a complete disaster and actually ended up taking longer than if on your own…

If doing that on a parcel route which is over a large distance- then yeah - it isn't going to be efficient.

When running out of time and needing to clear the Tracked, managers in our office claim that it's more efficient if the van-driver goes and does parcels alone, while the passenger continues doing the typical letter/parcel loops. I am not so sure about this....

On a van-share round that is compact - going round together doing parcels can be quick. Driver doesn't have to keep stopping as much. As long as you manage it efficiently giving each person the same amount of parcels then it is efficient.

This was a mixture —parcels and packets off walks in the morning, so high density, followed by LATs in the afternoon.

Problems I saw:

1. When doing it on the Ad-Hoc, our respective PDAs didn’t update to show parcels delivered by the other, meaning there was constant confusion as to whether we had delivered certain parcels. You have to keep cancelling the route and reload in Outdoor to get it to update, and even then there is a lag.

2. It also didn’t help that my helpers were also much slower than me, meaning I was constantly waiting on them and couldn’t move on.

3. Lost opportunities to lose parcels with neighbours across the road who the other was delivering to, meaning we brought back way more 739’d work than necessary - esp as both helpers quite lazy with trying neighbours.

Maybe with some finessing it could be executed better, but I am most efficient on my own.

This is why parcel people should train indoors as posties for a few months before starting parcels, because two posties working together will not be faffing about with parcel lists on the pda and will rattle through delivering to an area much quicker than a DPR working on their own.

Faffing around?! I rattled through 200 tracked today — four whole walks’ worth — plus 10 boxes, two customer collects, 5 specials, in just 4.5 hours outdoors. No postie in our depot, let alone region, comes anywhere close to how quickly I rattle through.

Is that all?

[Dexydog]

The majority of Delivery OPGs already drive. This is due to a combination of every who joined after 2010 as within their contract of employment an obligation to drive and the introduction of CDV van sharing from 2009.

The modelling shows that parcel drop rates increase from Wednesday to Saturday where it peaks.

Whilst the 1st class rates are circa 20% , the number of parcels and tracked will potential mean a singleton van will have a partner on a Saturday to assist the delivery of parcels for two routes.

Non drivers will also have indoor work which will be scheduled into their duty the Saturdays they will work.

Contrary to a lot of negative quotes on here , the actual sites where the pilot is being deployed are largely positive with what they are going to pilot.

However let’s be honest Holland , Germany and Denmark have all recently announced they are either cutting jobs or reducing the service due to letter decline and a very competitive parcel market.

Ofcom no friend to working people have said the current USO is financially unsustainable and have proposed to reduce it.

There is going to be change.it is therefore sensible that we pilot it in the units agreed to see the impact and benefits.

If they are good then we will reach an agreement on it , if not then we will not and no Labour Government is going to allow Royal Mail to impose a USO change.

It also important that you listen to the truth about what is happening in the Pilot sites all be it only Newton Mearns have currently gone live.

As someone who has posted on this site for over 20 years I will keep informing members wherever I can despite some of the comments by posters including political organisations who oppose every single thing but have never had an answer other than call for a rank and file movement which I have heard for 40 years.

The CWU has to protect 90 thousand members from what is going to happen from July with the

Even if everyone could drive under ODM there simply is not sufficient duties, even for those who drive. You have agreed to a 50% cut in duties on a Saturday. Ability to drive, or not, is not the issue. The CWU demanding profit from our labour is.

‘Modelling’ is only as good as the data that goes into it. The CWU can’t hide behind modelling when the very basics of the job aren’t right.

The modelling proves that it will not work so the CWU should stop supporting the 50% cut in jobs on a Saturday.

Creating false narratives does nothing to bring the membership on board. The dishonesty of the CWU is creating the negativity.

The CWU are like Ratner slagging off his chain of shops. You can talk the job down all you want but it doesn’t change the facts. This is a multi-billion pound industry. Seven billion letters don’t magically deliver themselves. Either stand up for postal workers or get out of the way.

That’s not what OFCOM have said. The regulator is demanding a profit from the delivery of letters. The CWU does not oppose this attack on workers and their jobs.

One minute the data proves the argument. Then the data is not reliable so it has to be trialled. The whole thing could be and has been modelled. The CWU does not need unwilling victims to suffer the consequences of the unions poor leadership that agreed trials.

The CWU has already reached an agreement on ODM and the CWU supports it. The only thing the right wing Labour administration is not going to allow is for decent hard working postal workers to be left alone.

Tell us the truth then. Not the myopic version of the truth. Workers are not going to believe a Union that is part of a three way attack on their jobs.

It is not a ringing endorsement of the CWU leadership and it’s persistent top down trade unionism to say the CWU has heard the cries of the rank and file for fourty years and ignored them. It is a frank admission of the failure of the UCW and CWU.

The history of the CWU is alive with all sorts of radical thinkers and ‘political organisations’. Without the Communist, Marxists and Trotskyists the CWU would not exist. Like it or not the rank and file are not going away and will not go gently into the night. The days of the CWU dictating to it’s members are over.

There are not 90,000 CWU members affected by this sell-out agreement. Every lie destroys credibility. So tell us the truth – what is going to happen in July?

[qwerty2]

Why don't the CWU tell us how many people have left the union in the last few years

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Faffing around?! I rattled through 200 tracked today — four whole walks’ worth — plus 10 boxes, two customer collects, 5 specials, in just 4.5 hours outdoors. No postie in our depot, let alone region, comes anywhere close to how quickly I rattle through.

4 jobs? They must be tiny if they only have 50 tracked each

Today was uncharacteristically light in terms of volume, but we had a dearth of staff due to a cock-up with the rota(?!) and something like 30 walks uncovered across the office.