Whats coming in your daily routine

[ted_e_bear]

Well today I saw all the revised walks for my DO coming in in 4 weeks time.
So I think Mr Walsh might be wrong.

Well I for one hope so, we need a "reset" at our place, people sitting on duties they've just been left on, partly the aftermath of a couple of years ago when they forced senior people off their duties by making the duty part time

[claretandblue]

Our last revision came in October, big parcels off in exchange for 3 extra loops, only doable on a quiet day with no d2ds, the only way the USO reform would work, is if they put the walks back in that they took out.

[yellowbelly]

6 hour delivery span.... people will be dropping like flies.

Currently, from first delivery point to last delivery point we are out there for 3 hours 40 minutes

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I wanna come work in your office, our first DP to last DP is 5 hours for HCT's and vans.

[Acca Dacca]

6 hour delivery span.... people will be dropping like flies.

Currently, from first delivery point to last delivery point we are out there for 3 hours 40 minutes

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I wanna come work in your office, our first DP to last DP is 5 hours for HCT's and vans.

You must have very little indoor work if you can do 5 hour first DP to last DP duty after breaks and travel time come off without overtime

[clashcityrocker]

You must have very little indoor work if you can do 5 hour first DP to last DP duty after breaks and travel time come off without overtime

Or they have a very high ratio f/t to p/t.

[Smoothbackground]

We have a few staff at our DO who routinely prep three frames in the morning, plus one who does three frames AND helps on the IPS. This particular guy sorts quicker than a bank cashier counting £20 notes. Maybe with the new way of working they will be more stringent/selective with who gets to do the indoor work?

[Acca Dacca]

You must have very little indoor work if you can do 5 hour first DP to last DP duty after breaks and travel time come off without overtime

Or they have a very high ratio f/t to p/t.

Which would equal very little indoor work

[Perseus]

We have a few staff at our DO who routinely prep three frames in the morning, plus one who does three frames AND helps on the IPS. This particular guy sorts quicker than a bank cashier counting £20 notes. Maybe with the new way of working they will be more stringent/selective with who gets to do the indoor work?

What makes you think they'd stop at indoor work.

[Idk]

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I would have thought there would have to be a re pick.

At present you can have 4 van share duties covered by 4 people, under the new way of working only 2 people would cover the 4 duties so 2 people would automatically lose their duty. How would you decide which 2 keep their duties and which 2 lose their duties? You would also have new driving duties delivering first class/parcels on the walks not being delivered that day that would have to be filled. There is also talk of new attendance patterns. Even if the walks themselves don’t change so much else will that I can’t see how it wouldn’t constitute major change and lead to a re pick.

I only can't see how this saves money unless the 2 that come off the duty also leave the company

[OikOik]

6 hour delivery span.... people will be dropping like flies.

Currently, from first delivery point to last delivery point we are out there for 3 hours 40 minutes

...........

I wanna come work in your office, our first DP to last DP is 5 hours for HCT's and vans.

Is that a Tuesday or a Wednesday? I was out for 5 hours this Weds but was done in 3.30 on Tuesday & Monday.

As a somewhat newbie, I want to know why they can't spread it out better throughout the week.

[Thommo44]

Maybe your rounds are smaller, driveways shorter ? Or the round starts 5 minutes from the office? Impossible to compare

That magic number — the six-hour del span — has been the norm for 40-hr contract new starters at ours since I started. The theory, or so we are told, is 20% of our working time indoors prepping, 80% outdoors delivering.

That ain't "the norm" for walks in any DO yet and hasn't ever been, maybe for backshift DPR duties

It is the norm for new-contract 40-hr posties. It has been the norm for as long as I have been employed, and I gather it was the norm from the get-go of the new 40-hr contract at our place. And it is the norm not just at my own DO — it happens at the other offices in our region too.

We have people doing the best part of two whole walks a day — they go out in the morning as part of a van share, and then on returning to the office in the afternoon to drop their partner back, they then go back out on their own with another walk/lapsing/cut-offs to take them up to their own finish time.

Well that certainly doesn't happen in my office, at the moment like everyone else in the office they are not completing 1 walk let alone 2

A 40-hr employee has eight solid hours of graft to supply each day. At our place, even double mail on a walk, plus all the tracked, specials, boxes, and customer collects, is expected to be fully cleared within an eight-hour shift, though you might be allowed just to do that for your whole day’s work if it is a proper rotter and the managers can clearly see it is. How can the 40-hr posties at your office not be clearing even a single walk? Our gaffer would be all over it like a rash and anyone consistently falling short would be out the door. Beginning to seriously wonder if my office (and the other offices in our region) are in some sort of parallel universe to the rest of Royal Mail!

[ted_e_bear]

I read it that one driver will be doing 1st class and all tracked including oversized from 2 duties. The other 2 duties will be covered by 2 posties doing all mail, tracked and oversize. Then it swaps the next day.

That's what i thought but others say DPR duties are staying

Makes no sense to have one guy taking big parcels and one guy taking smaller parcels. Many times customers will have a big box and a small box in one order from Boots or the like. Having them arrive separately is just crazy. There will be disagreements too as to who takes what because bag space and weight won’t be an issue for the 1c driver.

Royal Mail are transferring up to 14 million parcels to Parcelforce starting the end of July this it is on the latest LTB on another thread ,
the detail;s are shown below , cannot see them needing DPR drivers then .
We are already doing royal mail parcels now at Parcelforce but have been told there will be a huge increase end of July this year .

(Transfer in financial year 25/26 of up to 14m large parcels (F4 and above) from the RM network to PFWW, this may be via direct from customer or MC/HUB in line with the BRT&G commitment to the development of a single large Parcel Network) .

You know what, that makes absolute sense to the way rm want to go, let's just think, they want to be a parcel company and love to copy all the other parcel companies who all operate from parcel only depots, they all service a large area from the depot rather than having to spend time sorting and transporting the parcels to multiple smaller do's, they are all able to give accurate delivery time windows due to not having to tit about with mail and dominos leaflets, I think we might be in for a bigger change than we thought.

[abuch1980]

Unless you are in an office full of deep rurals, no one will be doing the same tasks/duties 2 days running - the Optimised Delivery Model or whatever it is called doesn't allow for it. This will obviously impact some people more than others.

How , would this even work for some posties who's duties are ringfenced for various reasons. ? They can't be moved anywhere so their duty would be done everyday by them ? What a mess coming near you soon...

[SpacePhoenix]

I read it that one driver will be doing 1st class and all tracked including oversized from 2 duties. The other 2 duties will be covered by 2 posties doing all mail, tracked and oversize. Then it swaps the next day.

That's what i thought but others say DPR duties are staying

Makes no sense to have one guy taking big parcels and one guy taking smaller parcels. Many times customers will have a big box and a small box in one order from Boots or the like. Having them arrive separately is just crazy. There will be disagreements too as to who takes what because bag space and weight won’t be an issue for the 1c driver.

Royal Mail are transferring up to 14 million parcels to Parcelforce starting the end of July this it is on the latest LTB on another thread ,
the detail;s are shown below , cannot see them needing DPR drivers then .
We are already doing royal mail parcels now at Parcelforce but have been told there will be a huge increase end of July this year .

(Transfer in financial year 25/26 of up to 14m large parcels (F4 and above) from the RM network to PFWW, this may be via direct from customer or MC/HUB in line with the BRT&G commitment to the development of a single large Parcel Network) .

You know what, that makes absolute sense to the way rm want to go, let's just think, they want to be a parcel company and love to copy all the other parcel companies who all operate from parcel only depots, they all service a large area from the depot rather than having to spend time sorting and transporting the parcels to multiple smaller do's, they are all able to give accurate delivery time windows due to not having to tit about with mail and dominos leaflets, I think we might be in for a bigger change than we thought.

Wonder if they'll also take over the SDs as well

[postiewhite]

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I would have thought there would have to be a re pick.

At present you can have 4 van share duties covered by 4 people, under the new way of working only 2 people would cover the 4 duties so 2 people would automatically lose their duty. How would you decide which 2 keep their duties and which 2 lose their duties? You would also have new driving duties delivering first class/parcels on the walks not being delivered that day that would have to be filled. There is also talk of new attendance patterns. Even if the walks themselves don’t change so much else will that I can’t see how it wouldn’t constitute major change and lead to a re pick.

I only can't see how this saves money unless the 2 that come off the duty also leave the company

One reason why I'm leaving and waiting for a start date in my new job. I've 11 years seniority so I'm over half way up the ladder in an office of over 100 and in the last 7 years I've never had a problem getting my own duty (as I've always hated cover/reserve) but I feel that the fact 2 will be covering 4 duties then in any future repicks (and there has to be one) then I may have to drop down to a reserve or cover again and I'm not going backwards.