RMCtv: Parcel sortation

[Pidleypoo]

What should happen and would be unpopular and unfair to parcel drivers is that they start later than the rest of staff and then take all parcels and mail for the delivery points they are visiting instead of two different posties visiting at different hours of the day or on occasions at the same time

Wouldn't be popular but would be more efficient

Well they stopped us matching up all parcels for an address. It’s a huge inefficiency to visit the same property several times a day.

In my own experience we don't visit that many addresses twice a day, it's far more inefficient trying to match post and packets with oversized parcels.

I wouldn’t suggest matching post, but there’s no reason for several parcels for one house to be delivered separately because the recipient has to answer the door every time there is a parcel. It’s not an inconvenience to the DPR to have several parcels for the same address because the PDA tells them they do.

It is against the rules, not to mention an inefficient use of your time, to band together multiple small packets so that you can try to lose them to the DPR driver. Do you also put the mail within the elastic band for him/her to deliver too?

I know for definite you’re not a postie now because we band together packets/parcels for the same address as a matter of course. It’s no inefficiency on my part to then put that bundle on the DPR York and the DPR makes one trip to the recipient’s door. The End.

I am a postie — as you begrudgingly conceded in a separate thread.

When I am on a DPR duty I make a point of returning out-of-scope small packets in any all instances where other posties haven’t had the decency to check if I have scope/space.

You must be popular.

You want to see the real problem at royal mail. It’s this.

Not the posters fault , he’s doing the job to spec but it’s utterly stupid that I can have 3 “small” parcels and there be 2”larger” ones and yet we both go to that house that day. It’s a complete farce and totally inefficient.

[Barnacle]

What should happen and would be unpopular and unfair to parcel drivers is that they start later than the rest of staff and then take all parcels and mail for the delivery points they are visiting instead of two different posties visiting at different hours of the day or on occasions at the same time

Wouldn't be popular but would be more efficient

Well they stopped us matching up all parcels for an address. It’s a huge inefficiency to visit the same property several times a day.

In my own experience we don't visit that many addresses twice a day, it's far more inefficient trying to match post and packets with oversized parcels.

I wouldn’t suggest matching post, but there’s no reason for several parcels for one house to be delivered separately because the recipient has to answer the door every time there is a parcel. It’s not an inconvenience to the DPR to have several parcels for the same address because the PDA tells them they do.

It is against the rules, not to mention an inefficient use of your time, to band together multiple small packets so that you can try to lose them to the DPR driver. Do you also put the mail within the elastic band for him/her to deliver too?

I know for definite you’re not a postie now because we band together packets/parcels for the same address as a matter of course. It’s no inefficiency on my part to then put that bundle on the DPR York and the DPR makes one trip to the recipient’s door. The End.

I am a postie — as you begrudgingly conceded in a separate thread.

When I am on a DPR duty I make a point of returning out-of-scope small packets in any all instances where other posties haven’t had the decency to check if I have scope/space.

You must be popular.

You want to see the real problem at royal mail. It’s this.

Not the posters fault , he’s doing the job to spec but it’s utterly stupid that I can have 3 “small” parcels and there be 2”larger” ones and yet we both go to that house that day. It’s a complete farce and totally inefficient.

It’s totally farcical and a massive inefficiency which could swiftly be resolved.

[Dexydog]

Our large are separated at sorting stage so the walks don't know if they have a small and a large for the same house.
They are not allowed to band, say, 3 smalls together and throw it out which to me is crazy.
If I have time when Im sorting my large into a dpr route I go to the fitting if I see I have a large for one of the serial receivers that more often than not have other smalls, and take them as well.
If the walk man has already banded any mail to them I take that as well.
It takes 5 minutes if you're familiar with the walks and have a good relationship with the walk man
He might take a large one for a shop for me if I tell him it might be closed when I get there.
Everyone but RM knows it's inefficient to do it any other way.
The people that actually do the job ALWAYS know best, not some idiot sat behind a computer.

[Barnacle]

Our large are separated at sorting stage so the walks don't know if they have a small and a large for the same house.
They are not allowed to band, say, 3 smalls together and throw it out which to me is crazy.
If I have time when Im sorting my large into a dpr route I go to the fitting if I see I have a large for one of the serial receivers that more often than not have other smalls, and take them as well.
If the walk man has already banded any mail to them I take that as well.
It takes 5 minutes if you're familiar with the walks and have a good relationship with the walk man
He might take a large one for a shop for me if I tell him it might be closed when I get there.
Everyone but RM knows it's inefficient to do it any other way.
The people that actually do the job ALWAYS know best, not some idiot sat behind a computer.

[kazardaimenu]

What should happen and would be unpopular and unfair to parcel drivers is that they start later than the rest of staff and then take all parcels and mail for the delivery points they are visiting instead of two different posties visiting at different hours of the day or on occasions at the same time

Wouldn't be popular but would be more efficient

They do in our office. It’s 12-8 for dprs.

What should happen is that they take all parcels for the same house instead of the farce that is they won’t take anything that measures outside of the box even if there’s one that they should take and one they shouldn’t. We both go to the same house that day

Should all be done by one postman but with smaller rounds. Probably the most efficient way.

[SpacePhoenix]

Is it now time for RM to get vans like high-sided, long wheel base Sprinters or Transits with shelves down each side inside. You could have a tray for each loop and have the smaller packets sorted/stored as you like (in delivery order perhaps). There could be a space for larger/oversize items.

[Barnacle]

Is it now time for RM to get vans like high-sided, long wheel base Sprinters or Transits with shelves down each side inside. You could have a tray for each loop and have the smaller packets sorted/stored as you like (in delivery order perhaps). There could be a space for larger/oversize items.

We do miss out on using space in the van by not having shelves or even dividers.

[Smoothbackground]

Is it now time for RM to get vans like high-sided, long wheel base Sprinters or Transits with shelves down each side inside. You could have a tray for each loop and have the smaller packets sorted/stored as you like (in delivery order perhaps). There could be a space for larger/oversize items.

This might work in some areas, but it would be very difficult to make efficient delivery progress in a Sprinter down some of our country lanes and rurals. Not saying impossible but would make progress very slow compared to doing it in a Partner or Expert. That may mean ending up cutting off due to darkness etc.

While separating out-of-scope smaller items and returning to the walk may seem counterproductive to some people — nearly always the walk postie — this photo illustrates what happens when DPRs are palmed off with small items: valuable van space is robbed. This photo illustrates how, because of the small items, I can’t load on my first 19 stops (25 large Amazon boxes). [PHOTO DELETED]

[SpacePhoenix]

Is it now time for RM to get vans like high-sided, long wheel base Sprinters or Transits with shelves down each side inside. You could have a tray for each loop and have the smaller packets sorted/stored as you like (in delivery order perhaps). There could be a space for larger/oversize items.

This might work in some areas, but it would be very difficult to make efficient delivery progress in a Sprinter down some of our country lanes and rurals. Not saying impossible but would make progress very slow compared to doing it in a Partner or Expert. That may mean ending up cutting off due to darkness etc.

While separating out-of-scope smaller items and returning to the walk may seem counterproductive to some people — nearly always the walk postie — this photo illustrates what happens when DPRs are palmed off with small items: valuable van space is robbed. This photo illustrates how, because of the small items, I can’t load on my first 19 stops (25 large Amazon boxes). IMG_4949.jpeg

What about a standard length wheelbase sprinter or Transit but high sided, again with shelves inside?

[Smoothbackground]

Is it now time for RM to get vans like high-sided, long wheel base Sprinters or Transits with shelves down each side inside. You could have a tray for each loop and have the smaller packets sorted/stored as you like (in delivery order perhaps). There could be a space for larger/oversize items.

This might work in some areas, but it would be very difficult to make efficient delivery progress in a Sprinter down some of our country lanes and rurals. Not saying impossible but would make progress very slow compared to doing it in a Partner or Expert. That may mean ending up cutting off due to darkness etc.

While separating out-of-scope smaller items and returning to the walk may seem counterproductive to some people — nearly always the walk postie — this photo illustrates what happens when DPRs are palmed off with small items: valuable van space is robbed. This photo illustrates how, because of the small items, I can’t load on my first 19 stops (25 large Amazon boxes). IMG_4949.jpeg

What about a standard length wheelbase sprinter or Transit but high sided, again with shelves inside?

Yes, a standard Transit or Sprinter with collapsible shelving would be ideal for 90% of areas. It would make things so much more efficient and productive.

But that said, there will still be that small exception though where for rural areas a smaller vehicle is needed. That area of the market seems to be booming as Amazon and other competitors realise it’s more cost effective for them to use Royal Mail for all deliveries to these areas. Two of our DPRs are all rural due to such volume.

[A2B]

Returning smaller parcels to a rural duty makes even less sense, everything (mail included) should be going in one visit

[Smoothbackground]

Returning smaller parcels to a rural duty makes even less sense, everything (mail included) should be going in one visit

I agree 100%. Lest it be unclear, although I mentioned returning OOS items, I wasn’t referring to doing so for the rural DPRs— they are an exception.

[Barnacle]

Returning smaller parcels to a rural duty makes even less sense, everything (mail included) should be going in one visit

I agree 100%. Lest it be unclear, although I mentioned returning OOS items, I wasn’t referring to doing so for the rural DPRs— they are an exception.

As a DPR driver, it is not your job to be kicking any parcels out to the walks. That’s a manager’s job if they can be bothered.

You kicking them out makes you as popular as snot.

[Smoothbackground]

Returning smaller parcels to a rural duty makes even less sense, everything (mail included) should be going in one visit

I agree 100%. Lest it be unclear, although I mentioned returning OOS items, I wasn’t referring to doing so for the rural DPRs— they are an exception.

As a DPR driver, it is not your job to be kicking any parcels out to the walks. That’s a manager’s job if they can be bothered.

You kicking them out makes you as popular as snot.

We’re just following the managers’ instructions. But being at the coalface, those of us who do DPRs can see why the rule is there in the first place: to maximise precious van-space capacity.

[Barnacle]

Returning smaller parcels to a rural duty makes even less sense, everything (mail included) should be going in one visit

I agree 100%. Lest it be unclear, although I mentioned returning OOS items, I wasn’t referring to doing so for the rural DPRs— they are an exception.

As a DPR driver, it is not your job to be kicking any parcels out to the walks. That’s a manager’s job if they can be bothered.

You kicking them out makes you as popular as snot.

We’re just following the managers’ instructions. But being at the coalface, those of us who do DPRs can see why the rule is there in the first place: to maximise precious van-space capacity.

No, it’s a stupid rule because all Tracked are the same, large, small or flat. They all have to be delivered to the same time scale. So your job is to deliver those tracked you are given, whatever they are, because by kicking any out, you are simply palming off tracked to someone else who is loaded like a donkey.

It’s not your job to be tracked monitor.