ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

Pay parity

Postal workers discussion forum. Discuss the day to day life in a Blue Shirt.
LouBarlow
Posts: 4709
Joined: 15 Oct 2007, 18:56

Re: Pay parity

Post by LouBarlow »

norris9 wrote:
21 Nov 2023, 22:11
Clappedoutpostie wrote:
21 Nov 2023, 17:03
Minimum wage going up to £11.44 an hour just announced. Cant see many takers for £12.29 on a Sunday or any other day of the week for that matter. The chancellor just made RM’s recruitment problem worse.
Just saw that and thought the same. It's much easier to move on from Royal Mail now. That is another big increase in the minimum wage.

What are the chances we get the same % or better rise next April? I don't have much hope as Royal Mail have tried to stifle our income in recent times.
It is certainly easier to move on if you are a new starter. However anyone still getting legacy payments is making significantly more than the minimum wage per hour and are also enjoying more paid holiday than you will get elsewhere, not to mention the pension side of things.

New starters though are really not incentivised to stay. Unless the CWU deliver on the promise made in the agreement to make up these contracts to match existing staff, then yeah I can see the turnover of staff being high among new sign ups. The CWU are screwing themselves if not. A major fumble by them frankly.
claretandblue
Posts: 911
Joined: 01 Aug 2007, 12:14

Re: Pay parity

Post by claretandblue »

If the big rises in the minimum wage continue, it won't be long before we can bypass our useless union and get automatic rises from the chancellor.
norris9
Posts: 2681
Joined: 27 Feb 2019, 17:32
Gender: Female

Re: Pay parity

Post by norris9 »

SMS1969 wrote:
21 Nov 2023, 23:30
Our rise in April is 2%. This was agreed in the deal of the century.
Is that set in stone, as in - is this all we are getting or it's the bare minimum?

If we get 2% in April when minimum wage employees are getting 10%..... the exodus will increase.... but it seems Royal Mail probably want this, they don't care about the service, they will run it down to the ground even further if it means they save money on wages.
norris9
Posts: 2681
Joined: 27 Feb 2019, 17:32
Gender: Female

Re: Pay parity

Post by norris9 »

LouBarlow wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 05:16
New starters though are really not incentivised to stay. Unless the CWU deliver on the promise made in the agreement to make up these contracts to match existing staff, then yeah I can see the turnover of staff being high among new sign ups. The CWU are screwing themselves if not. A major fumble by them frankly.
The thing is.....the guys/girls who have been here longer also disappear out the door regularly.....so that means we are always getting an increase in new starts on the lower £ contracts. I wonder what % per year of staff that have the better/older contracts leave each year.
eastie
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 2234
Joined: 16 Jun 2011, 15:32
Gender: Male

Re: Pay parity

Post by eastie »

Royal Mail will keep the crap increases in pay until the minimum wage catches up and they will then be on a par with all the other Couriors.
Then after all the full timers leave, they will have all employees on zero contracts and with them all working sundays.
Job done and the CWU will be no more with no clout for RM employees
Valentina@1
Posts: 841
Joined: 13 Apr 2023, 16:48
Gender: Male

Re: Pay parity

Post by Valentina@1 »

eastie wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 14:51
Royal Mail will keep the crap increases in pay until the minimum wage catches up and they will then be on a par with all the other Couriors.
Then after all the full timers leave, they will have all employees on zero contracts and with them all working sundays.
Job done and the CWU will be no more with no clout for RM employees
Sad times 🥲
clashcityrocker
Posts: 16622
Joined: 22 Sep 2009, 13:50
Gender: Male
Location: strummerville

Re: Pay parity

Post by clashcityrocker »

£11.44 compared to £14.70.

We are nowhere near the living wage.
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
guardianangel
Posts: 1832
Joined: 21 Feb 2020, 19:40
Gender: Male

Re: Pay parity

Post by guardianangel »

clashcityrocker wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 15:14
£11.44 compared to £14.70.

We are nowhere near the living wage.
Take off the delivery supplement which is not part of your hourly rate works out to £12.74
guardianangel
Posts: 1832
Joined: 21 Feb 2020, 19:40
Gender: Male

Re: Pay parity

Post by guardianangel »

claretandblue wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 07:36
If the big rises in the minimum wage continue, it won't be long before we can bypass our useless union and get automatic rises from the chancellor.
:Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause
guardianangel
Posts: 1832
Joined: 21 Feb 2020, 19:40
Gender: Male

Re: Pay parity

Post by guardianangel »

eastie wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 14:51
Royal Mail will keep the crap increases in pay until the minimum wage catches up and they will then be on a par with all the other Couriors.
Then after all the full timers leave, they will have all employees on zero contracts and with them all working sundays.
Job done and the CWU will be no more with no clout for RM employees
Its coming down the line for those lot up top ,the head of the cwu act like the Tories fill your pockets while you still can,old Martin Walsh will not make a blind bit of difference.The CWU lost the final battle.
Jantyc0611
Posts: 17
Joined: 09 Jan 2023, 18:41
Gender: Male

Re: Pay parity

Post by Jantyc0611 »

Race to the bottom is on. we are F——ed. And there is no one to stop it.
clashcityrocker
Posts: 16622
Joined: 22 Sep 2009, 13:50
Gender: Male
Location: strummerville

Re: Pay parity

Post by clashcityrocker »

guardianangel wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 15:29

Take off the delivery supplement which is not part of your hourly rate works out to £12.74
Why isn't it part of the hourly rate?
The societies of consumption and squandering of material resources are incompatible with the idea of economic growth and a clean planet.
eastie
EX ROYAL MAIL
Posts: 2234
Joined: 16 Jun 2011, 15:32
Gender: Male

Re: Pay parity

Post by eastie »

plus the delivery suppliment will be gone soon as well ,whats the bet
ted_e_bear
Posts: 4084
Joined: 03 Sep 2012, 19:37
Gender: Male

Re: Pay parity

Post by ted_e_bear »

clashcityrocker wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 15:49
guardianangel wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 15:29

Take off the delivery supplement which is not part of your hourly rate works out to £12.74
Why isn't it part of the hourly rate?
Agreed, as far as I'm concerned my hourly rate is the amount I'm paid divided by the amount of hours I have to work to get it so really if you take paid breaks into the equation we're actually on around £15.40 per hour.
LouBarlow
Posts: 4709
Joined: 15 Oct 2007, 18:56

Re: Pay parity

Post by LouBarlow »

guardianangel wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 15:29
clashcityrocker wrote:
22 Nov 2023, 15:14
£11.44 compared to £14.70.

We are nowhere near the living wage.
Take off the delivery supplement which is not part of your hourly rate works out to £12.74
Why would you take that off? It is money you earn. You might as well add your paid leave on top then if we are working it out like that. As mentioned, it is way more than earning minimum wage. For us. New starters are certainly closer to it.