maybe it would have been better to vote not knowing there was an extra £900~ in the deal, as that to some was deemed a bribe for votes.
All of the reward section of the deal could also be considered a bribe.
The pay rise.
The back pay.
The £500 lump sum.
And the £900+
You could argue that the change and reward should have been subject to separate votes but that would be ridiculous and no-one would ever vote for change.
The only way was to put everything out there and let people decide for themselves.
Why is it so ridiculous to have a separate vote for pay and change?
My other half received a 6% pay rise in April without giving up anything in return.
My daughter works in a small, family run dental practice- pay rise without even asking this year, and a nice unexpected bonus to go with it.
The union's first approach was to get a no strings pay deal.
Whatever happened to that?
Why should a pay rise be considered so out of the question when the cost of everything(i ncluding stamps) has gone up so much?
It's always us giving up something in return for what most other people in other industries are given without question.
If this company wasn't run by imbeciles pandering to shareholders the whole time (who incidently have no idea how much money is wasted through inefficiencies)., maybe we would all be better, healthier, and not arguing between ourselves the whole time.
The work environment s toxic.
The company ethos is to grind its workforce into the ground.
All the while ripping off customers by delaying a service which has been paid for upfront.
We have the infrastructure and customer base to blow the competition away.
But we continually blow away every advantage we have.
No.1 should be a workforce that is motivated and willing to help make a profit which everyone shares in.
Instead they choose to isolate and turn what most folk here used to care what happens into a workforce that looks at how it is now treated and behaves accordingly.
The company is a complete joke.
Dexy everything you say is correct, unfortunately like any privatised company they haven't finished creaming out all the money they invested in the first place.
Just as soon as they have enough in their pockets they might decide too have a look at the workforce and might wonder where they all fecked off too.
Except for Lou and Aiden i would imagine they would be still be here completing and loving working for RM.
Good to see your over the yes vote scotchy like you have previously stated obviously not. do not understand your comment completing..completing what i work in a mc have a start an finish time an could,nt care less what happens before my start time or after it. I do what asked i'm to do inbetween an go home. now please commit one way or the other or you over the yes vote or not.
Hahahaha Lou i have no idea what you are on about, the only person mentioning the yes/no vote is you. Lifes too short to spend on a pointless debate with you about it.
No I’m Lou scotchy. The one you continue to be obsessed with, despite both claiming to have been ignoring me for weeks now and me not even posting much recently because I’m enjoying a much deserved holiday lol. It feels even sweeter knowing I’ve earned it through my hard work completing my round every day and having it fully paid for by the lump sum payment I earned for both of us with my yes vote.
maybe it would have been better to vote not knowing there was an extra £900~ in the deal, as that to some was deemed a bribe for votes.
All of the reward section of the deal could also be considered a bribe.
The pay rise.
The back pay.
The £500 lump sum.
And the £900+
You could argue that the change and reward should have been subject to separate votes but that would be ridiculous and no-one would ever vote for change.
The only way was to put everything out there and let people decide for themselves.
Why is it so ridiculous to have a separate vote for pay and change?
My other half received a 6% pay rise in April without giving up anything in return.
My daughter works in a small, family run dental practice- pay rise without even asking this year, and a nice unexpected bonus to go with it.
The union's first approach was to get a no strings pay deal.
Whatever happened to that?
Why should a pay rise be considered so out of the question when the cost of everything(i ncluding stamps) has gone up so much?
It's always us giving up something in return for what most other people in other industries are given without question.
If this company wasn't run by imbeciles pandering to shareholders the whole time (who incidently have no idea how much money is wasted through inefficiencies)., maybe we would all be better, healthier, and not arguing between ourselves the whole time.
The work environment s toxic.
The company ethos is to grind its workforce into the ground.
All the while ripping off customers by delaying a service which has been paid for upfront.
We have the infrastructure and customer base to blow the competition away.
But we continually blow away every advantage we have.
No.1 should be a workforce that is motivated and willing to help make a profit which everyone shares in.
Instead they choose to isolate and turn what most folk here used to care what happens into a workforce that looks at how it is now treated and behaves accordingly.
The company is a complete joke.
Dexy everything you say is correct, unfortunately like any privatised company they haven't finished creaming out all the money they invested in the first place.
Just as soon as they have enough in their pockets they might decide too have a look at the workforce and might wonder where they all fecked off too.
Except for Lou and Aiden i would imagine they would be still be here completing and loving working for RM.
Good to see your over the yes vote scotchy like you have previously stated obviously not. do not understand your comment completing..completing what i work in a mc have a start an finish time an could,nt care less what happens before my start time or after it. I do what asked i'm to do inbetween an go home. now please commit one way or the other or you over the yes vote or not.
Hahahaha Lou i have no idea what you are on about, the only person mentioning the yes/no vote is you. Lifes too short to spend on a pointless debate with you about it.
You are that fixated with lou did you even see who replied seeing the thread is about a so called bribe obviously the vote matters.
maybe it would have been better to vote not knowing there was an extra £900~ in the deal, as that to some was deemed a bribe for votes.
All of the reward section of the deal could also be considered a bribe.
The pay rise.
The back pay.
The £500 lump sum.
And the £900+
You could argue that the change and reward should have been subject to separate votes but that would be ridiculous and no-one would ever vote for change.
The only way was to put everything out there and let people decide for themselves.
Why is it so ridiculous to have a separate vote for pay and change?
My other half received a 6% pay rise in April without giving up anything in return.
My daughter works in a small, family run dental practice- pay rise without even asking this year, and a nice unexpected bonus to go with it.
The union's first approach was to get a no strings pay deal.
Whatever happened to that?
Why should a pay rise be considered so out of the question when the cost of everything(i ncluding stamps) has gone up so much?
It's always us giving up something in return for what most other people in other industries are given without question.
If this company wasn't run by imbeciles pandering to shareholders the whole time (who incidently have no idea how much money is wasted through inefficiencies)., maybe we would all be better, healthier, and not arguing between ourselves the whole time.
The work environment s toxic.
The company ethos is to grind its workforce into the ground.
All the while ripping off customers by delaying a service which has been paid for upfront.
We have the infrastructure and customer base to blow the competition away.
But we continually blow away every advantage we have.
No.1 should be a workforce that is motivated and willing to help make a profit which everyone shares in.
Instead they choose to isolate and turn what most folk here used to care what happens into a workforce that looks at how it is now treated and behaves accordingly.
The company is a complete joke.
Dexy everything you say is correct, unfortunately like any privatised company they haven't finished creaming out all the money they invested in the first place.
Just as soon as they have enough in their pockets they might decide too have a look at the workforce and might wonder where they all fecked off too.
Except for Lou and Aiden i would imagine they would be still be here completing and loving working for RM.
Good to see your over the yes vote scotchy like you have previously stated obviously not. do not understand your comment completing..completing what i work in a mc have a start an finish time an could,nt care less what happens before my start time or after it. I do what asked i'm to do inbetween an go home. now please commit one way or the other or you over the yes vote or not.
Hahahaha Lou i have no idea what you are on about, the only person mentioning the yes/no vote is you. Lifes too short to spend on a pointless debate with you about it.
You are that fixated with lou did you even see who replied seeing the thread is about a so called bribe obviously the vote matters.
Sorry about that Aiden/Lou i thought you where the same person. You certainly both speak the same!
maybe it would have been better to vote not knowing there was an extra £900~ in the deal, as that to some was deemed a bribe for votes.
All of the reward section of the deal could also be considered a bribe.
The pay rise.
The back pay.
The £500 lump sum.
And the £900+
You could argue that the change and reward should have been subject to separate votes but that would be ridiculous and no-one would ever vote for change.
The only way was to put everything out there and let people decide for themselves.
Why is it so ridiculous to have a separate vote for pay and change?
My other half received a 6% pay rise in April without giving up anything in return.
My daughter works in a small, family run dental practice- pay rise without even asking this year, and a nice unexpected bonus to go with it.
The union's first approach was to get a no strings pay deal.
Whatever happened to that?
Why should a pay rise be considered so out of the question when the cost of everything(i ncluding stamps) has gone up so much?
It's always us giving up something in return for what most other people in other industries are given without question.
If this company wasn't run by imbeciles pandering to shareholders the whole time (who incidently have no idea how much money is wasted through inefficiencies)., maybe we would all be better, healthier, and not arguing between ourselves the whole time.
The work environment s toxic.
The company ethos is to grind its workforce into the ground.
All the while ripping off customers by delaying a service which has been paid for upfront.
We have the infrastructure and customer base to blow the competition away.
But we continually blow away every advantage we have.
No.1 should be a workforce that is motivated and willing to help make a profit which everyone shares in.
Instead they choose to isolate and turn what most folk here used to care what happens into a workforce that looks at how it is now treated and behaves accordingly.
The company is a complete joke.
Dexy everything you say is correct, unfortunately like any privatised company they haven't finished creaming out all the money they invested in the first place.
Just as soon as they have enough in their pockets they might decide too have a look at the workforce and might wonder where they all fecked off too.
Except for Lou and Aiden i would imagine they would be still be here completing and loving working for RM.
Good to see your over the yes vote scotchy like you have previously stated obviously not. do not understand your comment completing..completing what i work in a mc have a start an finish time an could,nt care less what happens before my start time or after it. I do what asked i'm to do inbetween an go home. now please commit one way or the other or you over the yes vote or not.
Hahahaha Lou i have no idea what you are on about, the only person mentioning the yes/no vote is you. Lifes too short to spend on a pointless debate with you about it.
You are that fixated with lou did you even see who replied seeing the thread is about a so called bribe obviously the vote matters.
Sorry about that Aiden/Lou i thought you where the same person. You certainly both speak the same!
MC and RDC staff combined are outnumbered by delivery staff by at least 2:1, it's more likely these days to be 3:1. The deal was voted in by delivery staff, we (MC & RDC staff combined) effectively didn't have any say in it
Delivery has been decimated over the last 10 years. No full time positions have been filled or replaced, that left a sizable part time workforce that had nothing to gain. They are never getting their hours increased, never going to earn full bonuses, even though they are doing the majority of the delivery.
The only thing left for them was a bribe, Which they unfortunately took .
You guy should know better...
It wasn't a bribe, that is hyperbole. It was a lump sum plain and simple, generously granted from the pension scheme, from a self defeating strike position that wasn't serving anybody.
Even David Ward, Terry Pullinger and the CWU came to realise that eventually.
This loose talk of blood money and bribes is Fake News.
It was and is the very definition of a bribe, a payment in return for your vote to get a crap agreement over the line.
At least recognise it for what it was!
I am very much over the vote, but some people's delusional idea that the money wasn't the reason for the yes winning leads me to doubt they are anything other than company stooges.
A foolish stance to take I would suggest.
Are you seriously suggesting that 70% of the workforce voted yes just for the extra money on offer ?
Do you not think rather they were voting for commonsense, and making sure their jobs, families were secure, and their mortgages, car payments, bills etc could be met in the future. ?
The extra money was not a bribe, arguably a sweetener to get the reasonable deal ( in the circumstances) over the line, and shake some sense into the CWU and firebrand wildcat strikers, who were willing to down tools and walk off the job at the drop of a hat.
On the flip side do you really think RM have given £1,400 away to every FT employee for no real reasons? As far as the CWU I've no real sense what they actually stand for anymore to suggest that them supporting something proposed by RM was in our interests.
On the flip side do you really think RM have given £1,400 away to every FT employee for no real reasons? As far as the CWU I've no real sense what they actually stand for anymore to suggest that them supporting something proposed by RM was in our interests.
RM haven’t given away £1400 (or £1500). Their contribution was £500.
A foolish stance to take I would suggest.
Are you seriously suggesting that 70% of the workforce voted yes just for the extra money on offer ?
Do you not think rather they were voting for commonsense, and making sure their jobs, families were secure, and their mortgages, car payments, bills etc could be met in the future. ?
The extra money was not a bribe, arguably a sweetener to get the reasonable deal ( in the circumstances) over the line, and shake some sense into the CWU and firebrand wildcat strikers, who were willing to down tools and walk off the job at the drop of a hat.
It wasn't a vote for common sense and it's a very poor deal. People voted on the basis that the Union had capitulated and had no plan B. The extra money was always there in the business in return for the changes that Royal Mail always wanted.
A third of people didn't bother to vote as they were that disillusioned
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
The company/union stooges on again defending the indefensible, it was a bribe, you know it, i know it, hell even the company know it.
Own it, get over it and stop defending this shower.
We all have bigger fish to fry now, how we got there doesn't matter anymore.
seeing the thread is about a so called bribe obviously the vote matters.
