The vote is in : 75.8% yes

[TopperGas]

I voted Yes as couldn't see the CWU getting a better deal and didn't want more industrial action/loss of wages, however, I don't feel I've won anything, apart from the bung!, and sense all if us working in deliveries will be big losers.

[bongo_fury]

Any point being in the union now? Within 2 years, I have the feeling that Thompson's replacement will be swooping down for our remaining terms and conditions, plus our pensions. He and the board will laugh in the CWU's faces before Dave Ward & Co. have even open their mouths. Time to get a different job if I can!

[Foxel]

I thought a Yes vote was coming and, like most others, expected it to be closer.

Although disappointed, I feel like a great weight has been lifted. I've done all I could and will leave with my head held high while the remains of this once great national institution decay into nothingness. I expect I'll be gone before the "bonuses" are paid out so don't worry about that.

While my fight is over, don't for a second think that yours is, next time it comes around you'll be on your knees. And the battle will be that much harder. When you come looking for help you'll find none. A crippled union. A turnstile of staff. And some very very hungry shareholders. Enjoy.

[sindba]

Just a signal to Royal Mail that they can pick any fight they want and the Union will surrender.

RM will be back, very soon, to finish us off. And there's nowt we, your rep, or the CWU can do.

[postieblueshirt]

Some of these back n forth arguments are crazy.WE HAVE ALL LOST. The only winner is royal mail we voted yes or no and whether or not you voted one way or another you have lost

[seesred]

The result of the vote only confirms I made the right decision to leave RM. It's depressing to think that people are either so indifferent, or so beaten down by life and economic necessity that accepting this offer becomes the best thing they can do. It's nothing to celebrate. The one thing it won't guarantee is a better future for anyone working for RM. That said, after a bit of looking around, I can confirm that there really are worse jobs and worse companies than Royal Mail out there, and every time the employers win it get just that little bit worse for everyone. How far is it to the bottom?

[bongo_fury]

Ah yeah. I'm just venting because that 75% yes vote beggars belief. Thought it might be a closer run thing. Anyroad, even without the dispute, I can't wait to leave, even if the money elsewhere's crapper. Managers just get more and more evil and illogical as time passes. It just does my head in trying to talk to any of 'em now. The shitty job I left, years ago to work at Royal Fail, seems quite tempting now.

[bongo_fury]

I don't think we're quite at the bottom yet in this country, even with a million hungry kids out there, etc. Soon, though; They'll bring back the workhouse, but they'll be privatised ones, run by Capita and Group4. That'll be scary enough to keep the bottom rung in compliance and virtual slavery. That's what 'the bottom' will be: 'at least I'm not in the workhouse'. You'll see. Suella Braverman will be the governer in one of them, swinging a cat o' nine tails.

[jahbalon]

A lot of bunkum and self defeatism on this thread. Want your bread buttered on both sides

Thank God the deluded naysayers have been vanquished and the vast majority 75.8% of us can get on with our lives again, and start earning a decent living again.

I for one am grateful for small mercies in life

[aiden01]

Ah yeah. I'm just venting because that 75% yes vote beggars belief. Thought it might be a closer run thing. Anyroad, even without the dispute, I can't wait to leave, even if the money elsewhere's crapper. Managers just get more and more evil and illogical as time passes. It just does my head in trying to talk to any of 'em now. The shitty job I left, years ago to work at Royal Fail, seems quitetempting now.

Why does it beggar belief just because you believed all those on here an twitter an facebook maybe even your office. when the ballott comes to your door it kinda changes your mind.

[Mickeybrowneyes]

I'll give it 3 months before all the yes voters will be moaning ,good luck amigo's your gonna need it.

Let’s see how many no voters leave the company and the union in the next three months I doubt many will.

Regardless of how anyone voted some unity is need now and not knee jerk reactions like leaving the union. Leaving the union and arguing amongst ourselves just plays into Royal Mails hands.

I've already left, how could i ever be a member of a union who have just signed a deal to give everything away,apart from the pitiful bribe there is not one thing in that deal that is good for anyone,i'm still trying to get my head around why ? But as i said good luck you are going to need it i'm a few years off retirement so am just going to sit it out and save my £16 a month and ive just seen my last ever strike, in the last 20 years every strike has ended with a little bit more nibbled away this one they have took a massive chunk it will never be the same again,

Maybe rampant inflation and mortgage rates spiking had something to do with Members voting for the deal.

Maybe but that money wont go far or last long and you just wont be skint you''ll be twice as knackered bullied and harassed more than you could ever imagine,not get paid if you need to go sick,i could go on but im sure the members who voted yes know all this thats why i can't get my head around it,if it was 18% over 3 years and they left the sick and IHR i could of voted yes,im thinking of all those fit people now who will break down as they age and just be spat out the back with little recompense,as ive said only a couple years to go im financially stable,no mortgage and i feel for the one's behind me who may never have this as the union who were always there to protect pay and working conditions have been broken and let their members down,its a sad day for the working class.

How are you going to be twice as knackered? You are being paid more for working the same hours.

Why because deliveries will get a lot longer, later starts more time in sun.
To the posties that plod around those f***ers are going to use PDA to f***ing destroy you.

Where are you getting any of this nonsense from? Deliveries aren’t getting longer with this agreement. Your start time and indoor work hours will change.

It is amusing to me that you think your performance is going to be judged. The business can’t retain any of the new starters as their contracts are so shite. You still have power in your workplace. Stay in the union and embrace it.

The walks will get longer even of the back of their reduction in indoor hours plan they have for the near future.
Also people are already getting performance managed and taken off their duties for very inconclusive wilful delay accusations.
I'm with the union and actively promoted the yes vote as I believed and still do it was the best way forward and gave reps some sway in proceedings still, but elements of it are not ideal and we have to be careful of some of the wording around the PDAs.
Yes we still have power in the workplace, but also people are getting performance managed now.
Especially since the pressure on the USO failings have gathered more media/ofcom attention.

[guardianangel]

I'll give it 3 months before all the yes voters will be moaning ,good luck amigo's your gonna need it.

Let’s see how many no voters leave the company and the union in the next three months I doubt many will.

Regardless of how anyone voted some unity is need now and not knee jerk reactions like leaving the union. Leaving the union and arguing amongst ourselves just plays into Royal Mails hands.

I've already left, how could i ever be a member of a union who have just signed a deal to give everything away,apart from the pitiful bribe there is not one thing in that deal that is good for anyone,i'm still trying to get my head around why ? But as i said good luck you are going to need it i'm a few years off retirement so am just going to sit it out and save my £16 a month and ive just seen my last ever strike, in the last 20 years every strike has ended with a little bit more nibbled away this one they have took a massive chunk it will never be the same again,

Maybe rampant inflation and mortgage rates spiking had something to do with Members voting for the deal.

Maybe but that money wont go far or last long and you just wont be skint you''ll be twice as knackered bullied and harassed more than you could ever imagine,not get paid if you need to go sick,i could go on but im sure the members who voted yes know all this thats why i can't get my head around it,if it was 18% over 3 years and they left the sick and IHR i could of voted yes,im thinking of all those fit people now who will break down as they age and just be spat out the back with little recompense,as ive said only a couple years to go im financially stable,no mortgage and i feel for the one's behind me who may never have this as the union who were always there to protect pay and working conditions have been broken and let their members down,its a sad day for the working class.

How are you going to be twice as knackered? You are being paid more for working the same hours.

Why because deliveries will get a lot longer, later starts more time in sun.
To the posties that plod around those f***ers are going to use PDA to f***ing destroy you.

Where are you getting any of this nonsense from? Deliveries aren’t getting longer with this agreement. Your start time and indoor work hours will change.

It is amusing to me that you think your performance is going to be judged. The business can’t retain any of the new starters as their contracts are so shite. You still have power in your workplace. Stay in the union and embrace it.

You are forgetting the part in the agreement about introducing methods that will reduce the indoor work by 25 minutes, which means that those 25 minutes saved will be utilised by adding more onto the outdoor element of your daily workload

Less indoor work means more outdoor work.

And the flexibility,there is no helping these lot im outta here done with people moaning and never having the balls to do anything about it,good luck to all the NO voters your going to need it with this lot adios amigos .

[LouBarlow]

Some of these back n forth arguments are crazy.WE HAVE ALL LOST. The only winner is royal mail we voted yes or no and whether or not you voted one way or another you have lost

We haven’t lost. We have all secured our jobs and more money with an employer that is failing, in an industry that is struggling. We ‘lost’ the fight ten years ago when we failed to prevent privatisation. Everything since has been inevitable.

[Nickvilla20]

There is no real winners from this dispute. The job is now worse than it was a few years ago and Royal Mail have lost huge credibility it’s gone from one of the best postal services in the world to just an unreliable delivery company.

Whoever takes over as CEO has a huge job on their hands to turn the company round and get the staff onside. Sadly I think it’s too far gone now.

The only positive is that union managed to secure jobs and there will be job with Royal Mail if people want them.

[SpacePhoenix]

I'd give it 6 months, a year tops before all COMs and MCMs get given a target for the number of hours to rip out from their offices