The deal : Business Recovery, Transformation and Growth Agreement

[FilthyBloke]

But remember people, if you leave the union you won’t get the future profits scheme!

[Minischoles]

Sorry if this is already covered as im reading this out on my round. If we start 24 mins early in the peak weeks and then have to take 25 mins off indoor prep that means 50 mins more on delivery ?
Or have i got that wrong ?

24 minutes seasonal variation, plus 30 minutes flex time, plus 35 minutes off indoor prep (estimated, you can be damn sure they'll be pushing for as much as possible off indoor)

So potentially 1hr 30 mins extra delivery time during the winter period.

[chickenwittle]

Sorry if this is already covered as im reading this out on my round. If we start 24 mins early in the peak weeks and then have to take 25 mins off indoor prep that means 50 mins more on delivery ?
Or have i got that wrong ?

24 minutes seasonal variation, plus 30 minutes flex time, plus 35 minutes off indoor prep (estimated, you can be damn sure they'll be pushing for as much as possible off indoor)

So potentially 1hr 30 mins extra delivery time during the winter period.

As asked before, is this 30 mins flexi time optional , like it’s always been ? Not clear in the agreement.

[cubanpete]

I hate telling (or begging) people to do something, but those who wish to cancel there membership please wait until the ballot on the deal is over. Let the union know you are against the deal by voting against it. By all means cancel your subs after that.

[zz666]

In the cwu brief about the deal, there is no mention of the 30 minute flexibility required. Quite an important piece to miss out or gloss over.

[mjd24]

The pay deal is ok for me. I remember back in December last year people in here were thinking we wouldn't even get 8%.

Not sure why the £1,500 version of the deal hasn't been offered.... but at the end of the day we get the same amount of money, but spaced out over the year.

10% is ok in my opinion. Even though I live in an expensive area of the country where house prices and rents are 20% to 50% higher than up north.


What did people want? 15%, 20%?, 30%?


Pay is the least concerning thing out of the whole deal. 4.30pm finish - sucks. Working short summers and long winters - sucks. I haven't even read about the sickness policy yet, but I bet it sucks.

We havent had 8%.

[ted_e_bear]

We will win this dispute we were told time and time again, sure doesn't feel to me ive won. NO NO NO NO from me. Legs getting hammered with hundreds more calls, already on a 1300 call rate pairing duty go f yourself union very unhappy

Do you mean each duty of the pair has 1300 calls, that's ridiculous not surprised you've had enough.

[rambo1]

Why on earth has the Union agreed to £500 lump sum when they were offered the option of £1500 with the same 8% pay rise over 2yrs? Are they bloody thick or what? They sound it and are now showing it!!

I don't think those 2 pay offers had any difference to them in terms of money we'd get in total. The difference was that you would get more money up front with the £1,500.... for me the £1,500 lump sum option was the more enticing deal as anyone who wants to invest some money, pay off debt, splash out on something would want this deal and even if not, this is psychologically the better option....

So no idea why the CWU went with the £500 option. Maybe Royal Mail ended up removing the £1,500 option as maybe it's better for them not to be paying out masses of money right now and better to pay us over the space of a year....

I am sure the CWU will explain why the £1,500 option disappeared / hasn't been offered to us.

I stand corrected. For it to be the same you do have to stay the full term until April 25 though. You'd have thought if the two choices were there, the union would have gone for the one that gives those who would leave in the next yr, a better deal if it made no odds to the rest of the deal.

They want to incentivise staying not taking the lump sum money and running

The rest of the deal doesn’t exactly incentivise stating long term right enough

At least those who were due to retire at least, in the next 6 months to a yr would have made up a grand (less tax) extra to compensate for striking a bit.

[sixfoottwo]

The revisions bit is shocking, currently I can just about complete on a quiet day If its even slightly busy I can't, the unagreed revision that cam ein the other month added 1hr 55 mins to the duty, total and utter joke


Im not that arsed as I work my time and try to alternate each day but it's just a crap way of working.

[Minischoles]

Sorry if this is already covered as im reading this out on my round. If we start 24 mins early in the peak weeks and then have to take 25 mins off indoor prep that means 50 mins more on delivery ?
Or have i got that wrong ?

24 minutes seasonal variation, plus 30 minutes flex time, plus 35 minutes off indoor prep (estimated, you can be damn sure they'll be pushing for as much as possible off indoor)

So potentially 1hr 30 mins extra delivery time during the winter period.

As asked before, is this 30 mins flexi time optional , like it’s always been ? Not clear in the agreement.

2. 30 Minutes Flexibility Agreement, meeting customers’ need
In parallel with the Seasonal Variation approach, we will also jointly review the approach to
the use of 30 minutes’ flexibility previously agreed in the 2007 Pay & Modernisation
Agreement and in line with the 2013 Joint Statement covering Fairness, Dignity & Respect in
Delivery. This joint review will be to understand how this approach can address workload
changes at a route level on a daily basis and develop a revised agreement which will support
the efficient delivery of the USO.
The review will gather information relating to how the existing policy is being applied and
what arrangements are in place in units, particularly where this approach has been
formalised and adopted. The review will also consider and determine how SI/SO data can be
used with applying this flexible arrangement. The review will conclude by the end of July
2023, and there will be a joint launch of a revised formalised approach to the 30 minutes’
flexibility agreement.

So it's being 'reviewed' and will be 'revised' - so given that the CWU bent over for the other variations to working hours, expect it to become a lot less optional and a lot more mandatory.

[chickenwittle]

Sorry if this is already covered as im reading this out on my round. If we start 24 mins early in the peak weeks and then have to take 25 mins off indoor prep that means 50 mins more on delivery ?
Or have i got that wrong ?

24 minutes seasonal variation, plus 30 minutes flex time, plus 35 minutes off indoor prep (estimated, you can be damn sure they'll be pushing for as much as possible off indoor)

So potentially 1hr 30 mins extra delivery time during the winter period.

As asked before, is this 30 mins flexi time optional , like it’s always been ? Not clear in the agreement.

2. 30 Minutes Flexibility Agreement, meeting customers’ need
In parallel with the Seasonal Variation approach, we will also jointly review the approach to
the use of 30 minutes’ flexibility previously agreed in the 2007 Pay & Modernisation
Agreement and in line with the 2013 Joint Statement covering Fairness, Dignity & Respect in
Delivery. This joint review will be to understand how this approach can address workload
changes at a route level on a daily basis and develop a revised agreement which will support
the efficient delivery of the USO.
The review will gather information relating to how the existing policy is being applied and
what arrangements are in place in units, particularly where this approach has been
formalised and adopted. The review will also consider and determine how SI/SO data can be
used with applying this flexible arrangement. The review will conclude by the end of July
2023, and there will be a joint launch of a revised formalised approach to the 30 minutes’
flexibility agreement.

So it's being 'reviewed' and will be 'revised' - so given that the CWU bent over for the other variations to working hours, expect it to become a lot less optional and a lot more mandatory.

Yeah because this flexibility has always been in place but has never been enforced because it’s always been optional, CWU needs to clarify.

[FilthyBloke]

Will be interesting to compare this deal to the last ones offered….

I have a feeling it will be voted in.

[Walter sobchak]

Voting no is one thing but voting no and then leaving the union……..WTF!!!

How on earth do you expect a weakened union to negotiate a better deal??

[FirstPost]

Voting no is one thing but voting no and then leaving the union……..WTF!!!

How on earth do you expect a weakened union to negotiate a better deal??

Tough, they should of got the best deal first time round, it's only a matter of time before these top union boys are gone..

[Walter sobchak]

Voting no is one thing but voting no and then leaving the union……..WTF!!!

How on earth do you expect a weakened union to negotiate a better deal??

Tough, they should of got the best deal first time round, it's only a matter of time before these top union boys are gone..

But how does that help you?

Who’s going to represent you in the negotiations?