Negotiators agreement reached

[ArchieG]

It's the END

Of Royal Mail's reputation for trust, reliability and customer service?

Could be.

Of the world as we know it?

[ArchieG]

It's the END

...of the world as we know it.....great tune

[CRIBMAD]

Get ready for a long read - the agreement is 30 pages long !

[norris9]

Get ready for a long read - the agreement is 30 pages long !

post it.

[toonshola]

Get ready for a long read - the agreement is 30 pages long !

30 pages of complete gobbledygook that can be read 7 different ways depending on which angle the sun is at no doubt.

[greengiant]

Get ready for a long read - the agreement is 30 pages long !

30 pages of complete gobbledygook that can be read 7 different ways depending on which angle the sun is at no doubt.

With every agreement having the disclaimer "for the lifetime of the agreement".

[LouBarlow]

Not sure any of the options are going to be worth all the changes that could be coming.

They are coming anyway. Might as well get paid for them.

You still never answered my question if managers now get docked pay for their second absence?

Why would I care about manager absence procedures?

In the context of the discussion that I originally asked the question

You cared enough about how much the company loses due to postal workers being off, does RM not lose money when managers are off or something? Do managers never go off sick at all? Are they docked pay when they are like you are happy for us to be?

I’d say the rate of sickness is infinitely higher for postal staff, yes. Be that for legitimate reasons or otherwise. It is difficult, for example, for a post-person to continue working with an injury - not so for a manager. I can’t honestly remember the last time one of our managers was off sick, as it easy for them to come in and sit at their desk all day - not an option for us.

I care how much money is being lost through people milking the system, sure. For the sole reason that we all are now suffering because of the piss-takers ruining it for those who are genuine. Who said I was happy for us to be docked pay? I’m all for debate, but don’t make s**t up please.

[grchpo]

Will there be 2 pay options to choose & how will that work

[sindba]

Will there be 2 pay options to choose & how will that work

Unlikely. The Union will negotiate a deal and we vote yes or no. Have to wait and see what that deal is.

[postslippete]

Will there be 2 pay options to choose & how will that work

No. Afaik they have offered the 2 pay options to the CWU along with a shared commitment to continue working towards a shorter working week.

Not sure how the profit sharing bonus would work though?

[clashcityrocker]

Not sure how the profit sharing bonus would work though?

It won't.

[sindba]

Yep Clash is right.

There'll be no profit share bonus. Also any pay rise agreed for 2024 will not happen.

And anything in the agreement that mentions "managers supporting collegues" ( performance management, sickness etc) means bullying and conduct.

"Trials" won't be trialled - they'll just happen.

"In consultation with the CWU and workforce" means ignoring the CWU and workforce.

Etc.

[antcpfc]

Take the lump sum. Once it’s in your bank they can’t get at it. I wouldn’t trust this mob to honour any future agreement on wages .Easy to claim lack of funds in a years time.

[robking]

Will there be 2 pay options to choose & how will that work

No. Afaik they have offered the 2 pay options to the CWU along with a shared commitment to continue working towards a shorter working week.

Not sure how the profit sharing bonus would work though?

Refer to Colleague shares.

[postslippete]

Ah yes colleague shares I remember them as they ended up being worthless


I don't know why the company put things like this in agreements. Especially as they didn't give us a decent share of the record profits that they made last year?