Strike 16/17 February called off

[LouBarlow]

ffs...how can it be illegal....its the last day of a legal ballot.

It’s because they are so incompetent they couldn’t even get the language right when serving notice, referenced revisions which we were not balloted on. Now the Cwu are crying on Facebook saying the country’s laws are against them. Absolutely shameless they have let us all down again.

Don't speak for me . You should now resign from the CWU and accept whatever RM want.

Agree 100%

Toonshola why don't you do everyone a favour, including yourself, by cancelling your CWU membership and simply accept your future reduced earnings (if you still have a job that is). From what I can see your efforts at Gaslighting members against the CWU is quite transparent. Are you a Royal Mail Manager by any chance?

Accusing someone with a different opinion as yourself, as being a manager is becoming boring, and should be against the rules on this site, especially from someone with the intelligence to suggest that losing members from the union will help at this point.

[aiden01]

It actually is against the rules.

[Seamus70]

ffs...how can it be illegal....its the last day of a legal ballot.

It’s because they are so incompetent they couldn’t even get the language right when serving notice, referenced revisions which we were not balloted on. Now the Cwu are crying on Facebook saying the country’s laws are against them. Absolutely shameless they have let us all down again.

Don't speak for me . You should now resign from the CWU and accept whatever RM want.

Agree 100%

Toonshola why don't you do everyone a favour, including yourself, by cancelling your CWU membership and simply accept your future reduced earnings (if you still have a job that is). From what I can see your efforts at Gaslighting members against the CWU is quite transparent. Are you a Royal Mail Manager by any chance?

Accusing someone with a different opinion as yourself, as being a manager is becoming boring, and should be against the rules on this site, especially from someone with the intelligence to suggest that losing members from the union will help at this point.

Losing one member who is doing his/her best to turn people against the union is less detrimental to the CWU than the possibility of empathy kicking in which may result in people simply not bothering to vote at all. Just to add to the boredom factor - are you senior RM management?

[clashcityrocker]

I now believe that people who accuse other posters of being RM management are in fact managers themselves.
Double bluffing - it doesn't fool me.

[ArchieG]

I now believe that people who accuse other posters of being RM management are in fact managers themselves.
Double bluffing - it doesn't fool me.

How about people who accuse those people who accuse others of being managers of being managers? Might they be managers?
- (I happen to agree with you, ccr...).

[Eduardo]

It's all part of management's little game of sowing doubt amongst the workforce and undermining the Union.
Managers trying to convince workers that everything negative that is going on around them in the workplace is the Unions fault.
All bad decisions or bad agreements are a result of Union input and without the Union our working lives would be so much rosier.
It's been going on for as long as I've worked for RM, for as long as I can reminder I've been fed a steady drip drip drip of negativity towards the Union.

[WalkerX]

Apparently whoever said the changes will be instituted regardless of union involvement is correct. My postman, who started as a cadet over 30 years ago, told me today 18 duties are going this Monday to be picked up by the remaining duties, no redundancies and still 6 vacancies unfilled. The problem with the union ignoring the situation and refusing to be involved does mean that RM will institute whatever changes they think fit. The union at local level at least should be involved in the changes they are the ones with the necessary local knowledge.

The union's lack of involvement is not through any choice being made by the CWU. It's RM refusing to allow a constructive input from the union, at any level. Ignorance doesn't even come into the equation, the CWU is being shut out, and bypassed.

Exactly this.

[aiden01]

ffs...how can it be illegal....its the last day of a legal ballot.

It’s because they are so incompetent they couldn’t even get the language right when serving notice, referenced revisions which we were not balloted on. Now the Cwu are crying on Facebook saying the country’s laws are against them. Absolutely shameless they have let us all down again.

Don't speak for me . You should now resign from the CWU and accept whatever RM want.

Agree 100%

Toonshola why don't you do everyone a favour, including yourself, by cancelling your CWU membership and simply accept your future reduced earnings (if you still have a job that is). From what I can see your efforts at Gaslighting members against the CWU is quite transparent. Are you a Royal Mail Manager by any chance?

Accusing someone with a different opinion as yourself, as being a manager is becoming boring, and should be against the rules on this site, especially from someone with the intelligence to suggest that losing members from the union will help at this point.

Losing one member who is doing his/her best to turn people against the union is less detrimental to the CWU than the possibility of empathy kicking in which may result in people simply not bothering to vote at all. Just to add to the boredom factor - are you senior RM management?

from a manager to now a senior manager wtf an all this based on having his opinion on the cwu. now if what your thinking is true must be loads of managers on here because cwu have been very heavly criticised on here since last strike was called off are we all managers ffs. an all coming from somebody who has 10 posts some of the people criticising have been on here years. an hfully nobody will ask who you or what you are. Maybe you need to read the rules.

[Wullie10]

I now believe that people who accuse other posters of being RM management are in fact managers themselves.
Double bluffing - it doesn't fool me.

How about people who accuse those people who accuse others of being managers of being managers? Might they be managers?
- (I happen to agree with you, ccr...).

I work in an office where 90% of postmen think they are managers . Its there whole life.

[aiden01]

It's all part of management's little game of sowing doubt amongst the workforce and undermining the Union.
Managers trying to convince workers that everything negative that is going on around them in the workplace is the Unions fault.
All bad decisions or bad agreements are a result of Union input and without the Union our working lives would be so much rosier.
It's been going on for as long as I've worked for RM, for as long as I can reminder I've been fed a steady drip drip drip of negativity towards the Union.

Sorry but union negoiate the agreements an usually ask the members to endorse them. so who is to blame them.

[Eduardo]

Sorry but union negoiate the agreements an usually ask the members to endorse them. so who is to blame them.

Ok let's make a hypothetical example.
An agreement is proposed, the Union get the proposals adjusted to be more beneficial towards the workforce although as a result of a need for change within the industry there are certain things in the agreement that will not be popular with the workforce but the final agreement is a lot better than the original proposal as a result of Union input.
Management then blame the Union for the unpopular points of the agreement without telling you what the original proposal was and how much worse it was.

But in answer to your question the members endorse it so ultimately the members are to blame but usually we take the issue on trust from the CWU.
We are recommended to endorse it and told this is the best deal we can get, we are not privy to all the information and rely on the Unions opinion to guide us, we trust the Unions judgement.

This is why undermining the Union is so important, this is why an attack on the Unions credibility is used so much.

[aiden01]

Sorry but union negoiate the agreements an usually ask the members to endorse them. so who is to blame them.

Ok let's make a hypothetical example.
An agreement is proposed, the Union get the proposals adjusted to be more beneficial towards the workforce although as a result of a need for change within the industry there are certain things in the agreement that will not be popular with the workforce but the final agreement is a lot better than the original proposal as a result of Union input.
Management then blame the Union for the unpopular points of the agreement without telling you what the original proposal was and how much worse it was.

But in answer to your question the members endorse it so ultimately the members are to blame but usually we take the issue on trust from the CWU.
We are recommended to endorse it and told this is the best deal we can get, we are not privy to all the information and rely on the Unions opinion to guide us, we trust the Unions judgement.

This is why undermining the Union is so important, this is why an attack on the Unions credibility is used so much.

Simple answer read the whole agreement whether you do or not is up to you. Or do you like myself not read any of it just say yes or no to a decent payrise.like majority of people do please do not even try to do deny it most posties dont giv a f--k show the money truth hurts.

[Eduardo]

Simple answer read the whole agreement whether you do or not is up to you. Or do you like myself not read any of it just say yes or no to a decent payrise.like majority of people do please do not even try to do deny it most posties dont giv a f--k show the money truth hurts.

Ok you get offered a pay rise (decent is open to interpretation), the Union advices you not to vote yes because the agreement can be improved, they say you can get better, the management say vote yes you will not get better.
Which way do you vote?

[Mickeybrowneyes]

Apparently whoever said the changes will be instituted regardless of union involvement is correct. My postman, who started as a cadet over 30 years ago, told me today 18 duties are going this Monday to be picked up by the remaining duties, no redundancies and still 6 vacancies unfilled. The problem with the union ignoring the situation and refusing to be involved does mean that RM will institute whatever changes they think fit. The union at local level at least should be involved in the changes they are the ones with the necessary local knowledge.

Reps would get involved but they are not following the right protocols and using unreliable data. They are basically cherry picking the data that suits in order to make the most savings they can. Not factoring in people cutting the job up, light traffic, or peoples differing ability.
They are also moving start times and ignoring seniority.
How can a rep sign up to this.
Royal Mail are opportunists and are deliberately ignoring the IR framework to make the walks unachievable.
They don't want the reps involved and are ignoring any challenges so I don't see what more local reps can do.

[LouBarlow]

ffs...how can it be illegal....its the last day of a legal ballot.

It’s because they are so incompetent they couldn’t even get the language right when serving notice, referenced revisions which we were not balloted on. Now the Cwu are crying on Facebook saying the country’s laws are against them. Absolutely shameless they have let us all down again.

Don't speak for me . You should now resign from the CWU and accept whatever RM want.

Agree 100%

Toonshola why don't you do everyone a favour, including yourself, by cancelling your CWU membership and simply accept your future reduced earnings (if you still have a job that is). From what I can see your efforts at Gaslighting members against the CWU is quite transparent. Are you a Royal Mail Manager by any chance?

Accusing someone with a different opinion as yourself, as being a manager is becoming boring, and should be against the rules on this site, especially from someone with the intelligence to suggest that losing members from the union will help at this point.

Losing one member who is doing his/her best to turn people against the union is less detrimental to the CWU than the possibility of empathy kicking in which may result in people simply not bothering to vote at all. Just to add to the boredom factor - are you senior RM management?

Are you a f***ing idiot?