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CWU : To all CWU members (Royal Mail Group)

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fb1969 wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 18:01
The office I left in August is carrying 17 vacancies on 70 duties, and there has been no recruitment for over a year. Over half the staff worked their days off over Christmas pressure, by doing that they played straight into the company's hands. Duties will become bigger and the number of posties will drop.
There's a mention in another thread that in the NE region, RM want to get rid of about 900 walks in the NE region!
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POSTPERSON50 wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 17:13
My unit could cut 20% of staff and manage easily. We couldn't have managed 3 years ago but things have changed.

The mail is never cleared. I've seen staff being sent home on a morning because their jobs are lapsed or their mail is left in. They owe the time back or take annual leave days. Still plenty of staff knocking off early.

We haven't followed the uso since 2020.
That's not really managing easily though if you are failing mail everyday.
It's illegal for management to deliberately plan to rotate days of mail delivery.
Should highlight what is happening.
If people go sick or do not take up the overtime that is different but if they are planning to fail mail then that is wrong
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Ditto that
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FilthyBloke wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 18:21
I’d be happy with later starts.
8% pay rise.
The changes to sick pay are fine by me.

The other changes I’d have to just get on with.
Ditto that
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hans solo wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 11:53
Plenty of agency staff in ours this morning
When is immediate effect from RM then
Same at our office, got back today from delivery and there must of been at least a dozen agency staff in prepping walks and going out with packets.
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curleigh wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 18:37
FilthyBloke wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 18:21
I’d be happy with later starts.
8% pay rise.
The changes to sick pay are fine by me.

The other changes I’d have to just get on with.
Ditto that
But you’re not thinking about the 1000’s of posties who pick their kids up from school so later starts are a non starter. Maybe take later starts on a voluntary basis but who would sign up for that? We have to think of what the ‘collective’ want/ need!
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49erman wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 08:50
curleigh wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 18:37
FilthyBloke wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 18:21
I’d be happy with later starts.
8% pay rise.
The changes to sick pay are fine by me.

The other changes I’d have to just get on with.
Ditto that
But you’re not thinking about the 1000’s of posties who pick their kids up from school so later starts are a non starter. Maybe take later starts on a voluntary basis but who would sign up for that? We have to think of what the ‘collective’ want/ need!
It depends how flexible these flexible hours can be. Later starts may enable them to do the early school run instead? Or they can come back and finish their duty after the late school run. It’s an option.
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49erman wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 08:50
But you’re not thinking about the 1000’s of posties who pick their kids up from school so later starts are a non starter. Maybe take later starts on a voluntary basis but who would sign up for that? We have to think of what the ‘collective’ want/ need!
If the work arrives at the inward MC later, then it's going to go out to the DOs later, meaning you won't have any choice, like us on nights in MCs you WILL be starting and finishing later
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My gut feeling is every office will start at least 71 hours later and duties will be 6pm until 3am.

Some time savings could be made by running batch 1 sequenced as a PMSL which throws batch 2 into the batch 3 stream, enabling 26.43% of batch 2 to be integrated by the FML system, this frees up batch 3 to go via LAMF unless batch 1 is running on a LOL programme, the problem you’ve then got is batch 4 if needed couldn’t be sequenced unless the previous 3 batches are recalled and pushed via TTYL, that would mean all 3 waves need to be sent to a seperare superhub. Obviously once all 3 batches have been done they’ll be sent back to the MC along with the 4th batch and all will be mixed back in with tracked and specials and sent to the DOs 71 hours late so they’ll have to be manually sorted anyway.
The day is gonna come when we’re all gonna have to testify.

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HTPostman wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 10:48
My gut feeling is every office will start at least 71 hours later and duties will be 6pm until 3am.

Some time savings could be made by running batch 1 sequenced as a PMSL which throws batch 2 into the batch 3 stream, enabling 26.43% of batch 2 to be integrated by the FML system, this frees up batch 3 to go via LAMF unless batch 1 is running on a LOL programme, the problem you’ve then got is batch 4 if needed couldn’t be sequenced unless the previous 3 batches are recalled and pushed via TTYL, that would mean all 3 waves need to be sent to a seperare superhub. Obviously once all 3 batches have been done they’ll be sent back to the MC along with the 4th batch and all will be mixed back in with tracked and specials and sent to the DOs 71 hours late so they’ll have to be manually sorted anyway.
Wow you must be psychic that's exactly what's starting at our gaff tomorrow, although they've said we're also getting a gilf whatever that is :chuckle
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So back to square one. Union is getting played like a violin
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ted_e_bear wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 11:30
HTPostman wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 10:48
My gut feeling is every office will start at least 71 hours later and duties will be 6pm until 3am.

Some time savings could be made by running batch 1 sequenced as a PMSL which throws batch 2 into the batch 3 stream, enabling 26.43% of batch 2 to be integrated by the FML system, this frees up batch 3 to go via LAMF unless batch 1 is running on a LOL programme, the problem you’ve then got is batch 4 if needed couldn’t be sequenced unless the previous 3 batches are recalled and pushed via TTYL, that would mean all 3 waves need to be sent to a seperare superhub. Obviously once all 3 batches have been done they’ll be sent back to the MC along with the 4th batch and all will be mixed back in with tracked and specials and sent to the DOs 71 hours late so they’ll have to be manually sorted anyway.
Wow you must be psychic that's exactly what's starting at our gaff tomorrow, although they've said we're also getting a gilf whatever that is :chuckle
That pmsl sequence is no laughing matter...but I see this being implemented it's the future...
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HTPostman wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 10:48
My gut feeling is every office will start at least 71 hours later and duties will be 6pm until 3am.

Some time savings could be made by running batch 1 sequenced as a PMSL which throws batch 2 into the batch 3 stream, enabling 26.43% of batch 2 to be integrated by the FML system, this frees up batch 3 to go via LAMF unless batch 1 is running on a LOL programme, the problem you’ve then got is batch 4 if needed couldn’t be sequenced unless the previous 3 batches are recalled and pushed via TTYL, that would mean all 3 waves need to be sent to a seperare superhub. Obviously once all 3 batches have been done they’ll be sent back to the MC along with the 4th batch and all will be mixed back in with tracked and specials and sent to the DOs 71 hours late so they’ll have to be manually sorted anyway.
And the MC's will send it out to the DO's because it's not their problem, they've got nowhere to store it (except at Bristol, they'll
take anything to feed the foxes) and if it comes back it'll go out on a shrink wrapped wooden pallets because
all Yorks were dropped off at the Tesco frozen food depot next door to the NDC just off the M1 by
mistake (or were they were sent there intentionally by a renegade manager to show that the NDC was 'clear' of all Yorks?).
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yellowbelly wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 21:46
HTPostman wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 10:48
My gut feeling is every office will start at least 71 hours later and duties will be 6pm until 3am.

Some time savings could be made by running batch 1 sequenced as a PMSL which throws batch 2 into the batch 3 stream, enabling 26.43% of batch 2 to be integrated by the FML system, this frees up batch 3 to go via LAMF unless batch 1 is running on a LOL programme, the problem you’ve then got is batch 4 if needed couldn’t be sequenced unless the previous 3 batches are recalled and pushed via TTYL, that would mean all 3 waves need to be sent to a seperare superhub. Obviously once all 3 batches have been done they’ll be sent back to the MC along with the 4th batch and all will be mixed back in with tracked and specials and sent to the DOs 71 hours late so they’ll have to be manually sorted anyway.
And the MC's will send it out to the DO's because it's not their problem, they've got nowhere to store it (except at Bristol, they'll
take anything to feed the foxes) and if it comes back it'll go out on a shrink wrapped wooden pallets because
all Yorks were dropped off at the Tesco frozen food depot next door to the NDC just off the M1 by
mistake (or were they were sent there intentionally by a renegade manager to show that the NDC was 'clear' of all Yorks?).
Chances are the driver would be instructed by their boss to leave the work in the DO yard
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HTPostman wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 10:48
My gut feeling is every office will start at least 71 hours later and duties will be 6pm until 3am.

Some time savings could be made by running batch 1 sequenced as a PMSL which throws batch 2 into the batch 3 stream, enabling 26.43% of batch 2 to be integrated by the FML system, this frees up batch 3 to go via LAMF unless batch 1 is running on a LOL programme, the problem you’ve then got is batch 4 if needed couldn’t be sequenced unless the previous 3 batches are recalled and pushed via TTYL, that would mean all 3 waves need to be sent to a seperare superhub. Obviously once all 3 batches have been done they’ll be sent back to the MC along with the 4th batch and all will be mixed back in with tracked and specials and sent to the DOs 71 hours late so they’ll have to be manually sorted anyway.
What about the LMFAO wave 9 techno-sort? It won't get to DO's until 17pm?