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aiden01
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by aiden01 »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 22:24
I think RM have already stated that they want a 5pm last letter.
Do you think cwu will accept that.
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Re: Annualised hours

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redrobbo wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 22:03
Just looking at previous wage slips and the deductions from previous strike days can anyone please explain why the hourly rate we are being deducted is ranging between £13.66 to £13.84 when we are on £12.62 per HR for working 37hrs for example if 14.50 hrs is deducted should it be £182.99 not the £198.14 which was deducted from the last strike dates
It includes all supplements you are paid too, pro rata of course.
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Re: Annualised hours

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redrobbo wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 22:03
Just looking at previous wage slips and the deductions from previous strike days can anyone please explain why the hourly rate we are being deducted is ranging between £13.66 to £13.84 when we are on £12.62 per HR for working 37hrs for example if 14.50 hrs is deducted should it be £182.99 not the £198.14 which was deducted from the last strike dates
It includes all supplements you are paid too, pro rata of course.
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Re: Annualised hours

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aiden01 wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 22:17
derricksmyth wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 20:53
yubin282 wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 19:52
worktotime wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 19:40
yes and dont forget these running the s**t show also want you to COMMIT TO DELIVERY as well , so you wont have a finish time and they can make deliverys as big as they like :evil/mad , the cwu wont agreed to that shite :thumbup
from next week every duty in our office is getting "22 minutes" added to their duty, absorbed from other duties.

Its not like were still delivering xmas cards or anything
Aren't you working 37 hour weeks already?
Whats working 37 hrs already the answer to.
The adding of the 22 mins to each duty someone was on about here
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by Mick100 »

yubin282 wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 19:52
worktotime wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 19:40
yes and dont forget these running the s**t show also want you to COMMIT TO DELIVERY as well , so you wont have a finish time and they can make deliverys as big as they like :evil/mad , the cwu wont agreed to that shite :thumbup
from next week every duty in our office is getting "22 minutes" added to their duty, absorbed from other duties.

Its not like were still delivering xmas cards or anything
I don’t finish my round now so just another 20min to take back chill out
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Re: Annualised hours

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heraldmoth wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 18:36
Sounds good on paper but how do they encourage people to work a day off? it’s pie in the sky
Why work your day off you get paid £25 less
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Re: Annualised hours

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neviboss wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 20:41
Dave Ward will quite happily collect his 100k+ salary, no matter what s*-t he shovels our way, if we all stop paying our union dues for 2 or 3 months, he might actuallylisten to what we want.

In fact every RM CWU member should give then a list of 5 things we want in the deal!

Mine would be:-

1. No later starts.
2 No annualised hours.
3. A decent pay deal backdated.
4. Overtime at a decent rate more than normal pay.
5. Sundays optional.
You realise if we stopped paying our subs for two or three months the union will collapse and everything Royal Mail want will happen? I'd love all those things you say to happen, plus the walks to be made smaller and a return to job and knock so we can all be back in bed by 10am Saturday mornings but it ain't gonna happen.
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by Seymour Buts »

Mick100 wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 23:58
heraldmoth wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 18:36
Sounds good on paper but how do they encourage people to work a day off? it’s pie in the sky
Why work your day off you get paid £25 less
No you don't. If you sign an SA contract to do 6 days, you loose your paid meal relief but otherwise you get the same as any other day.
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Re: Annualised hours

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guardianangel wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 17:54
If Annualised hours comes in will that mean finishing an hour later in the winter,guys in our work think they will still finish in time for the school run will these annualised hours scupper this.

As far as I understand it, you will only be finished an hour later in the winter, if you have been letting them know you are finishing an hour early in the summer, by signing out on the pda an hour early.

What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
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Re: Annualised hours

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Barnacle wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 06:09
guardianangel wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 17:54
If Annualised hours comes in will that mean finishing an hour later in the winter,guys in our work think they will still finish in time for the school run will these annualised hours scupper this.
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As far as I understand it, you will only be finished an hour later in the winter, if you have been letting them know you are finishing an hour early in the summer, by signing out on the pda an hour early.

What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
you will if you want more of your annual leave in winter, it will take up more of your hrs. Not sure how they're gonna do that?
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by guardianangel »

norris9 wrote:
07 Jan 2023, 20:10
So they have added customer collections, added taking photos of all tracked parcels on door step and now adding around 17 mins of other rounds....

Something like that is not going to work in our office......more delayed mail. Once a deal is made Royal Mail have no rocks to hide under from Ofcom. Fines galore will come.

Can Ofcom invite themselves to any office at any time to check up on Royal Mail's performance? I'll happily give them the heads up to come to our office if we remain ridiculously understaffed.
Ofcom won't do anything ,run by the government who dont care for the people.
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by clashcityrocker »

Barnacle wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 06:09

What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
How do you "come back on time" if you don't have the work to justify it?
Have we lost £1000+ to protect people who want to string it out and walk slower?

I thought trade unions were about doing a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by fb1969 »

Barnacle wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 06:09
As far as I understand it, you will only be finished an hour later in the winter, if you have been letting them know you are finishing an hour early in the summer, by signing out on the pda an hour early.

What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
That is not how they intend to use annualised hours.
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by Pidleypoo »

clashcityrocker wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 09:22
Barnacle wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 06:09

What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
How do you "come back on time" if you don't have the work to justify it?
Have we lost £1000+ to protect people who want to string it out and walk slower?

I thought trade unions were about doing a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?
The amount of people that don’t take breaks , don’t use the correct procedures or equipment this saving Royal Mail thousands of hours a week massively outstrips anyone “stringing it out”
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Re: Annualised hours

Post by SpacePhoenix »

Pidleypoo wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 09:39
clashcityrocker wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 09:22
Barnacle wrote:
08 Jan 2023, 06:09

What that translates to me is: come back on time. Then you won’t be hit by annualised hours.
How do you "come back on time" if you don't have the work to justify it?
Have we lost £1000+ to protect people who want to string it out and walk slower?

I thought trade unions were about doing a fair day's work for a fair day's pay?
The amount of people that don’t take breaks , don’t use the correct procedures or equipment this saving Royal Mail thousands of hours a week massively outstrips anyone “stringing it out”
How many walks are there where the walk is meant to use a golf cart type trolley but they don't? How much time difference does that typically make?