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Sputters
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Bad leaver

Post by Sputters »

Hi .
If someone has just had enough and decided not to go into work anymore.
I think it's called a bad leaver .
Does anyone know what that means as in what will rm do .
Thanks in advance.
RobertT
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by RobertT »

I always thought that was dereliction of duty? :hmmmm

If you don't turn up for work and you haven't got a valid reason, they won't pay you!
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burtons
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by burtons »

Hi you won't be paid, also if you decide not to contact the office, eventually you will be dismissed for gross misconduct, the bad leaver thing is nothing exempt remember you'll lose anything if you've paid into the pension, I lost 10 years.. I did a similar thing... Had enough of the crap. Hope this helps
grchpo
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by grchpo »

Why would you do that, I did 4 weeks notice, smacked in the overtime, came out with overtime pay & unused leave. Are you prepared to to lose that
Sputters
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by Sputters »

Just to clear things up ,, it's not me .it was one of my colleagues who said this morning.
If I decide to leave the job today and not give notuce what can rm do about it .I told him it would be classed as a bad leaver but I didn't know what that would mean .
Jefferson Starfish
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by Jefferson Starfish »

burtons wrote:
06 Nov 2023, 14:38
Hi you won't be paid, also if you decide not to contact the office, eventually you will be dismissed for gross misconduct, the bad leaver thing is nothing exempt remember you'll lose anything if you've paid into the pension, I lost 10 years.. I did a similar thing... Had enough of the crap. Hope this helps
Losing loads of pension seems a bit harsh.
Valentina@1
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by Valentina@1 »

What a load of rubbish!!…as if you lose your pension 😂😂😂
jbo5066
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by jbo5066 »

Jefferson Starfish wrote:
06 Nov 2023, 15:04
burtons wrote:
06 Nov 2023, 14:38
Hi you won't be paid, also if you decide not to contact the office, eventually you will be dismissed for gross misconduct, the bad leaver thing is nothing exempt remember you'll lose anything if you've paid into the pension, I lost 10 years.. I did a similar thing... Had enough of the crap. Hope this helps
Losing loads of pension seems a bit harsh.
Could they do that, seeing as you've already paid into it ... Stopping that week's wages, yes, but taking some of your pension away ... Is that legal?
Valentina@1
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by Valentina@1 »

You only lose your pension for gross misconduct in the form of theft & few other reasons👍
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Valentina@1
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by Valentina@1 »

Even then you can challenge it👍
fb1969
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by fb1969 »

If they just left immediately without giving notice, technically RM could sue for breach of contract. That could mean the cost of them covering the work for the notice period - so if it is 7 days notice, then they could sue for the cost of hiring agency staff for 7 days (less non-working days).

It is extremely unlikely that RM would do that, but a contract of employment is a two-way document so it is a (very slim) possibility.
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daveyeff
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by daveyeff »

a lad at ours had enough, so rather than just leave he went sick with stress/depression, got 6 months full pay then when it went down to half he just f****d off. at least he got something out of it i suppose.
R5001
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by R5001 »

fb1969 wrote:
06 Nov 2023, 17:20
If they just left immediately without giving notice, technically RM could sue for breach of contract. That could mean the cost of them covering the work for the notice period - so if it is 7 days notice, then they could sue for the cost of hiring agency staff for 7 days (less non-working days).

It is extremely unlikely that RM would do that, but a contract of employment is a two-way document so it is a (very slim) possibility.
The difference, not the cost. so if it costs them £15/hr for agency and he's paid 10, they can only claim for £5/hr, its not often worth it.
fb1969
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by fb1969 »

Agency work for RM around my way is £13.39 an hour and I'd expect RM would be paying the agency at least £20 an hour. But, as I said, I agree that it is extremely unlikely. But someone on the new contract on 40 hours and has to give 4 weeks notice and RM may just feel like making an "example" of someone.
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rubberbond
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Re: Bad leaver

Post by rubberbond »

fb1969 wrote:
06 Nov 2023, 18:11
Agency work for RM around my way is £13.39 an hour and I'd expect RM would be paying the agency at least £20 an hour. But, as I said, I agree that it is extremely unlikely. But someone on the new contract on 40 hours and has to give 4 weeks notice and RM may just feel like making an "example" of someone.
I doubt that very much , they probably wouldn’t notice ,it’s not like we are achieving anything close to resembling the USO , so a duty not covered wouldn’t raise any questions. Still, best to leave on good terms , you never know.