CWU: Agreement reached on the biggest ever National uplift in Part time contracted hours

[TopperGas]

Just to clarify what a 'temporary variation' is.... is it for example - where a PT postie is working a 37 hour week, but they are on a 30 hour a week contract?

If so, I am surprised there's 11,000 legacy posties currently doing that. How many posties are in the country? 100,000?

+ how long will you have had to been working with a 'temporary variation' to qualify?


Pissed that there's been no CWU employee on here answering our questions, no response from the CWU on Twitter/X either.

They need to explain why seniority has gone out the window.

If they are screwing thousands of us over by doing this then I hope any voluntary redundancy process ignores seniority too.

I thought RM employees overall had dropped to 80,000, if so, 100K is miles out for posties alone. There's no suggestions in the CWU message that staff had to have the "temporary variation" in their contract, just that they had to be working o/t in January 2025

[postslippete]

Just to clarify what a 'temporary variation' is.... is it for example - where a PT postie is working a 37 hour week, but they are on a 30 hour a week contract?

If so, I am surprised there's 11,000 legacy posties currently doing that. How many posties are in the country? 100,000?

+ how long will you have had to been working with a 'temporary variation' to qualify?


Pissed that there's been no CWU employee on here answering our questions, not on Twitter/X.

They need to explain why seniority has gone out the window.

If they are screwing thousands of us over by doing this then I hope any voluntary redundancy process ignores seniority too.

When I started RM all those years ago I started on a part-time contract. I only ever got a full-time contract when there was an office revision and I worked as a 'spare' doing deliveries all over the place. In the last revision and re-pick several years ago I managed to bag one of the few remaining full-time positions that were available. It was a sh*t duty which is why all the guys who were senior to me never picked it.

In the meantime, someone down the pecking order picked a part-time duty working on their own and even though their duty was part-time they have only ever worked full-time hours due to being brought in early like me. Now the Union plan on making many of these part-time duties full-time, why isn't there a full office revision and re-pick? Will there be one in the future?

[rogersh]

Just to clarify what a 'temporary variation' is.... is it for example - where a PT postie is working a 37 hour week, but they are on a 30 hour a week contract?

If so, I am surprised there's 11,000 legacy posties currently doing that. How many posties are in the country? 100,000?

+ how long will you have had to been working with a 'temporary variation' to qualify?


Pissed that there's been no CWU employee on here answering our questions, no response from the CWU on Twitter/X either.

They need to explain why seniority has gone out the window.

If they are screwing thousands of us over by doing this then I hope any voluntary redundancy process ignores seniority too.

I thought RM employees overall had dropped to 80,000, if so, 100K is miles out for posties alone. There's no suggestions in the CWU message that staff had to have the "temporary variation" in their contract, just that they had to be working o/t in January 2025

At 51 minutes into the link Martin Walsh mentions "All those on a variation of contract ......"

https://www.cwu.org/video/cwu-live-take ... nt-update/

[yellowbelly]

I thought RM employees overall had dropped to 80,000, if so, 100K is miles out for posties alone. There's no suggestions in the CWU message that staff had to have the "temporary variation" in their contract, just that they had to be working o/t in January 2025

Topper - I can't see any mention of OT in any of the info pushed out.

All the info pushed out does mention 'temporary variation' which I've always understood to be a temporary variation to your contract.

1. Resolving the Part Time up to Full Time Resourcing Issue
• Any employee employed on “legacy Terms & Conditions” (i.e., Those employed before December
2022) currently completing a role through a temporary variation and/or offered from January 2025 an
increase in contracted hours to part or full-time hours will have the opportunity to accept that role on
a permanent basis on their legacy Terms & Conditions. This would take effect for those in position on
1st January 2025. There are approximately 11,000 part timers who will potentially benefit from this
move.

[tramssirhc]

It's for people who fall into one of three groups:

1. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work full time, in place on 1 January 2025.

2. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work additional part time hours, in place on 1 January 2025.

3. Any employee who joined Royal Mail between 2018 and 2022 who is employed on a 35 hour full time contract.

Thats what I thought *

*With 3 being those on 35 hour contracts doing 37 hours to match the real FTers

Gonna be a lot of disappointed and angry longer term part timers who do OT without the variation contract and think they are getting FT contract.

Myself included.

Think i'll tell RM to stick their OT up their arse

Don't blame the employer. They are just giving Walsh what he wants. Tell the CWU to stick it.

[tramssirhc]

It's for people who fall into one of three groups:

1. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work full time, in place on 1 January 2025.

2. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work additional part time hours, in place on 1 January 2025.

3. Any employee who joined Royal Mail between 2018 and 2022 who is employed on a 35 hour full time contract.

Which completely ignores seniority.

[Acca Dacca]

It's for people who fall into one of three groups:

1. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work full time, in place on 1 January 2025.

2. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work additional part time hours, in place on 1 January 2025.

3. Any employee who joined Royal Mail between 2018 and 2022 who is employed on a 35 hour full time contract.

Which completely ignores seniority.

Not true if the temporary variations have been given on seniority

[tramssirhc]

It's for people who fall into one of three groups:

1. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work full time, in place on 1 January 2025.

2. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work additional part time hours, in place on 1 January 2025.

3. Any employee who joined Royal Mail between 2018 and 2022 who is employed on a 35 hour full time contract.

Which completely ignores seniority.

Not true if the temporary variations have been given on seniority

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Seriously.

[2chorizon]

Wait till Martin Walsh reveals the “new deal” for “Equalising” new contract workers with legacy workers.

He’s dropped the previous “Harmonising”

A1 guarantee they will have negotiated our paid meal relief away.

[TopperGas]

I thought RM employees overall had dropped to 80,000, if so, 100K is miles out for posties alone. There's no suggestions in the CWU message that staff had to have the "temporary variation" in their contract, just that they had to be working o/t in January 2025

Topper - I can't see any mention of OT in any of the info pushed out.

All the info pushed out does mention 'temporary variation' which I've always understood to be a temporary variation to your contract.

1. Resolving the Part Time up to Full Time Resourcing Issue
• Any employee employed on “legacy Terms & Conditions” (i.e., Those employed before December
2022) currently completing a role through a temporary variation and/or offered from January 2025 an
increase in contracted hours to part or full-time hours will have the opportunity to accept that role on
a permanent basis on their legacy Terms & Conditions. This would take effect for those in position on
1st January 2025. There are approximately 11,000 part timers who will potentially benefit from this
move.

I take the following comment to mean p/t had to be working o/t to be considered:

"The reference point is that the hours had to be worked up to 1st January 2025."


In addition the paragraph highlighted above states "currently completing a role through a temporary variation and/or offered from January 2025 an
increase in contracted hours to part or full-time hours will have the opportunity to accept that role on a permanent basis"

The "and/or" seems crucial as it indicates p/t don't have to be working on a "temporary variation" something I've never come across at my DO.

[Martin Walsh]

I always try and engage even when some of the comments are let’s say playing the man not the ball.

These are the facts :

10500 part timers will be offered a permanent uplift in their contracted hours on their current terms and conditions. This is the biggest ever agreed uplift in contracted hours.

1. The vast majority of these 8552 are part timers who will get the opportunity to become full time.

2.The vast majority of these are individuals on a variation of contract who would have only got the variation based on seniority. Some of these have held a variation of contract for over 5 years do you think it would be unfair to then say to that individual we now offering it back to say someone who has since transferred into the office and has more seniority.

3. There is another group who will be offered a chance to move to 37 hours and that is those who were capped at 35 hours following the Four Pillars agreement.

4. In terms of the 35 hour working week the Four pillars said any further reduction had to based on further change to terms and conditions. When the cost of living crisis started the CWU concentrated on pay and in any case Royal Mail imposed the New Entrants terms and conditions which meant that 40 hours was their chosen full time job.

5. Under the USO change there will be a further opportunity for part timers to move to full time as the modelling is showing that an increase of 15 to 20% increase in full time roles.

6., We have agreed to equalise new entrants terms and conditions with a first stage being done within three months of the takeover. There will be no unpaid meal reliefs for old contracts and we will get the new entrants paid meal reliefs.

It is strange the level of criticism when we are offering almost 10% of the workforce a permanent full time contract.

[Acca Dacca]

It's for people who fall into one of three groups:

1. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work full time, in place on 1 January 2025.

2. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work additional part time hours, in place on 1 January 2025.

3. Any employee who joined Royal Mail between 2018 and 2022 who is employed on a 35 hour full time contract.

Thats what I thought *

*With 3 being those on 35 hour contracts doing 37 hours to match the real FTers

Gonna be a lot of disappointed and angry longer term part timers who do OT without the variation contract and think they are getting FT contract.

Myself included.

Think i'll tell RM to stick their OT up their arse

Don't blame the employer. They are just giving Walsh what he wants. Tell the CWU to stick it.

I will blame the employer

I have been part time for nearly 20 years and they have brought in new entrants on more hours rather than make me, and others, up because its cheaper for them to do so

Thats the employers decision to keep me part time - no one elses

[tramssirhc]

I always try and engage even when some of the comments are let’s say playing the man not the ball.

These are the facts :

10500 part timers will be offered a permanent uplift in their contracted hours on their current terms and conditions. This is the biggest ever agreed uplift in contracted hours.

1. The vast majority of these 8552 are part timers who will get the opportunity to become full time.

2.The vast majority of these are individuals on a variation of contract who would have only got the variation based on seniority. Some of these have held a variation of contract for over 5 years do you think it would be unfair to then say to that individual we now offering it back to say someone who has since transferred into the office and has more seniority.

3. There is another group who will be offered a chance to move to 37 hours and that is those who were capped at 35 hours following the Four Pillars agreement.

4. In terms of the 35 hour working week the Four pillars said any further reduction had to based on further change to terms and conditions. When the cost of living crisis started the CWU concentrated on pay and in any case Royal Mail imposed the New Entrants terms and conditions which meant that 40 hours was their chosen full time job.

5. Under the USO change there will be a further opportunity for part timers to move to full time as the modelling is showing that an increase of 15 to 20% increase in full time roles.

6., We have agreed to equalise new entrants terms and conditions with a first stage being done within three months of the takeover. There will be no unpaid meal reliefs for old contracts and we will get the new entrants paid meal reliefs.

It is strange the level of criticism when we are offering almost 10% of the workforce a permanent full time contract.

Your figures are all over the place. You allowed duty structures to be collapsed when COVID struck and they've never been put back. You only have to look at the comments here to see that seniority has been ignored. It's a sham.

[tramssirhc]

It's for people who fall into one of three groups:

1. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work full time, in place on 1 January 2025.

2. Any employee with a temporary variation in contract to work additional part time hours, in place on 1 January 2025.

3. Any employee who joined Royal Mail between 2018 and 2022 who is employed on a 35 hour full time contract.

Thats what I thought *

*With 3 being those on 35 hour contracts doing 37 hours to match the real FTers

Gonna be a lot of disappointed and angry longer term part timers who do OT without the variation contract and think they are getting FT contract.

Myself included.

Think i'll tell RM to stick their OT up their arse

Don't blame the employer. They are just giving Walsh what he wants. Tell the CWU to stick it.

I will blame the employer

I have been part time for nearly 20 years and they have brought in new entrants on more hours rather than make me, and others, up because its cheaper for them to do so

Thats the employers decision to keep me part time - no one elses

The CWU had ample opportunity during those 20 years to sort it. Every six months in fact.

[Acca Dacca]

2.The vast majority of these are individuals on a variation of contract who would have only got the variation based on seniority. Some of these have held a variation of contract for over 5 years do you think it would be unfair to then say to that individual we now offering it back to say someone who has since transferred into the office and has more seniority.

I knew what this was from the start and so didnt get my hopes up for a FT contract but I have to say, even though this doesnt apply to me or change anything for me - seniority is seniority- transferred in or not - you keep your seniority in the company not in the office

It doesnt stop people who have transferred into an office signing for a walk so I dont see why this should be different.

Thats shaky ground imo