Exemption Process

[SpacePhoenix]

I don't think this will be the one and only change of times in all areas. Think that once it's been in place a while, some areas will be pushed back more if the wave 2 lorry isn't getting to the DOs early enough

[Philbag70]

I care for a disabled person. I've been refused exemption. Suffice to say, I'm going to appeal. When that's rejected, I'll be taking things much much further

[ted_e_bear]

I care for a disabled person. I've been refused exemption. Suffice to say, I'm going to appeal. When that's rejected, I'll be taking things much much further

Just out of interest how much is your office moving ? And when you requested an earlier finish was there anything you could think of suggesting to enable that, or are they just stubbornly refusing.

[2chorizon]

I care for a disabled person. I've been refused exemption. Suffice to say, I'm going to appeal. When that's rejected, I'll be taking things much much further

I think anyone found to be lying or exaggerating claims for needing an exemption should be dismissed and prosecuted if possible.

Of course there will be a very small number of genuine applicants, but they will need to provide comprehensive proof.

[Acca Dacca]

I care for a disabled person. I've been refused exemption. Suffice to say, I'm going to appeal. When that's rejected, I'll be taking things much much further

I think anyone found to be lying or exaggerating claims for needing an exemption should be dismissed and prosecuted if possible.

Of course there will be a very small number of genuine applicants, but they will need to provide comprehensive proof.

Whats the relevance to the post you have quoted?

[crazyshrew]

I care for a disabled person. I've been refused exemption. Suffice to say, I'm going to appeal. When that's rejected, I'll be taking things much much further

I think anyone found to be lying or exaggerating claims for needing an exemption should be dismissed and prosecuted if possible.

Of course there will be a very small number of genuine applicants, but they will need to provide comprehensive proof.

IF there was any level of dishonesty I agree that it should be delt with using the proper in house process. Honesty and integrity should be the fundamental values in our staff given the nature of our work.

I can't imagine that there is even the slightest grounds to attempt to prosecute and leave any individual telling a fib or two to try to make the best of the poo storm that we are all going through, with a criminal record...

how many of your colleagues suddenly started shouting about their devout Christianity the moment regular Sunday working looked like it might be on the cards?
I'd reckon about 30% in my place

The real issue is the other way around, that management are so afraid of letting the odd chancer get one up on them that they are coming down unreasonably heavy handed on the few genuine cases.

Or that they are so fully aware of their lack of skill in managing the overgrown children who will be crying "it's not fair..." When they have no clue why someone might have been granted an exception that it's easier for them to lose a good worker than do good work on the management front.

[Philbag70]

I care for a disabled person. I've been refused exemption. Suffice to say, I'm going to appeal. When that's rejected, I'll be taking things much much further

Just out of interest how much is your office moving ? And when you requested an earlier finish was there anything you could think of suggesting to enable that, or are they just stubbornly refusing.

Our office is moving 60 minutes. I offered to compromise and move 20 minutes, which would still allow time for hospital, medical appointments etc
I hoped for.reciprocated compromise but was given the standard response of NO!

They're quite happy for.all the work to sit in my frame when I'm off, and expect me.to clear it all up.upon my return. Last time it was 3 days worth, the time before, 5 days worth.
I.now work to.rule. Rigidly!

[postslippete]

I don't think this will be the one and only change of times in all areas. Think that once it's been in place a while, some areas will be pushed back more if the wave 2 lorry isn't getting to the DOs early enough

I agree that this might be the case and RM are dipping their toe in the water regarding the later starts to see how it pans out. But if Royal Mail want us to complete mail on frames like they have suggested - by delivering mainly 2c every other day - why should we bother waiting for the wave 2 lorry to turn up?

Wouldn't it just be easier to make sure that as many 1st class letters are in wave 1 and then sort through wave 2 the following day?

[sindba]

I care for a disabled person. I've been refused exemption. Suffice to say, I'm going to appeal. When that's rejected, I'll be taking things much much further

Just out of interest how much is your office moving ? And when you requested an earlier finish was there anything you could think of suggesting to enable that, or are they just stubbornly refusing.

Our office is moving 60 minutes. I offered to compromise and move 20 minutes, which would still allow time for hospital, medical appointments etc
I hoped for.reciprocated compromise but was given the standard response of NO!

They're quite happy for.all the work to sit in my frame when I'm off, and expect me.to clear it all up.upon my return. Last time it was 3 days worth, the time before, 5 days worth.
I.now work to.rule. Rigidly!

Can you not make medical appointments an hour later?

Surely your finish times vary through the week / year anyway?

[Foxel]

Can you not make medical appointments an hour later?

Never known hospital appointments to have such flexibility.

[sindba]

Can you not make medical appointments an hour later?

Never known hospital appointments to have such flexibility.

Me neither. But you are entitled to time off for hospital appointments, no problem.

After all, they don't happen every single day of your working life at exactly the same time.

Do they.

[Foxel]

Me neither. But you are entitled to time off for hospital appointments, no problem.

After all, they don't happen every single day of your working life at exactly the same time.

Do they.

Depends on what's wrong, some people have weekly visits sadly.

I had a 4 in a month and was expected to take my days off to match, the visits were due to a work-related issue so the union stepped in.

[SpacePhoenix]

I don't think this will be the one and only change of times in all areas. Think that once it's been in place a while, some areas will be pushed back more if the wave 2 lorry isn't getting to the DOs early enough

I agree that this might be the case and RM are dipping their toe in the water regarding the later starts to see how it pans out. But if Royal Mail want us to complete mail on frames like they have suggested - by delivering mainly 2c every other day - why should we bother waiting for the wave 2 lorry to turn up?

Wouldn't it just be easier to make sure that as many 1st class letters are in wave 1 and then sort through wave 2 the following day?

After the 1st couple of days of the 2C every other day you'll be back to getting 2C through every day. The 2C gets processed through the machines along with the 1C. Don't know about the PSMs and FSMs but for iLSMs and IMPs, when the inward sort plans are run, the 2C gets extracted. That is then run separate and then gets run during wave 1 (sequencing) the next day

[sindba]

Me neither. But you are entitled to time off for hospital appointments, no problem.

After all, they don't happen every single day of your working life at exactly the same time.

Do they.

Depends on what's wrong, some people have weekly visits sadly.

I had a 4 in a month and was expected to take my days off to match, the visits were due to a work-related issue so the union stepped in.

Of course. But daily? Permanently? Within a strict 1 hour window so you need to be given an early dart from work every day?

[Foxel]

Of course. But daily? Permanently? Within a strict 1 hour window so you need to be given an early dart from work every day?

Sure some people need to go every day, there will be evidence if that is the case here. Whether or not Royal Mail see this as his responsibility is something else.