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Ballot dates revealed : Update 21 June CWU-Today we will be serving a notice on Royal Mail Group over a pay claim

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Re: Ballot dates revealed : Update 21 June CWU-Today we will be serving a notice on Royal Mail Group over a pay claim

Post by norris9 »

Can we strike for a whole week, please. And when we go back to work just work to time and have your breaks.
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norris9 wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 19:42
Can we strike for a whole week, please. And when we go back to work just work to time and have your breaks.
Trouble is a lot of people can't miss a whole weeks wage! They've got bills to pay, kids to feed.
There's got to be a bit of tactical thought put into it to achieve the maximum effect with minimum pain to ourselves.
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yellowbelly wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 19:46
norris9 wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 19:42
Can we strike for a whole week, please. And when we go back to work just work to time and have your breaks.
Trouble is a lot of people can't miss a whole weeks wage! They've got bills to pay, kids to feed.
There's got to be a bit of tactical thought put into it to achieve the maximum effect with minimum pain to ourselves.

Do overtime now to make up for it, then we all have a week off in a month or 2 months time.

Is a 1 day strike going to do any damage, you'd prob get a load of posties clearing 2 days mail the next day so in the end it might even save RM money.

Got to be at least a 3 day strike, surely.
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Post by clashcityrocker »

norris9 wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 19:50


Got to be at least a 3 day strike, surely.
History would suggest otherwise.
Why would you want to lose money striking when the industrial action in the Mail Centre mean there is nothing to deliver in your office anyway.
Surely it is better to get paid for doing nothing than lose pay for doing nothing?
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Post by k979aaa »

norris9 wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 19:50
yellowbelly wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 19:46
norris9 wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 19:42
Can we strike for a whole week, please. And when we go back to work just work to time and have your breaks.
Trouble is a lot of people can't miss a whole weeks wage! They've got bills to pay, kids to feed.
There's got to be a bit of tactical thought put into it to achieve the maximum effect with minimum pain to ourselves.

Do overtime now to make up for it, then we all have a week off in a month or 2 months time.

Is a 1 day strike going to do any damage, you'd prob get a load of posties clearing 2 days mail the next day so in the end it might even save RM money.

Got to be at least a 3 day strike, surely.
Strike fund in advance is good advice after all who will pay you after you strike.
As to previous post no one would do a full week we need to target times and rotas this way it helps resolve the dispute faster better for everyone.
Even tory MP's were told not to do so in the case of the confidence vote of the Prime Minister I did not get a vote but he can f**k off if it helps.
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Post by SpacePhoenix »

clashcityrocker wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 20:00
norris9 wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 19:50


Got to be at least a 3 day strike, surely.
History would suggest otherwise.
Why would you want to lose money striking when the industrial action in the Mail Centre mean there is nothing to deliver in your office anyway.
Surely it is better to get paid for doing nothing than lose pay for doing nothing?
Might not be the case soon. Was reading recently that the government are thinking of changing the law so that agency staff can be brought in to cover for striking workers
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Post by k979aaa »

SpacePhoenix wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 20:19
clashcityrocker wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 20:00
norris9 wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 19:50


Got to be at least a 3 day strike, surely.
History would suggest otherwise.
Why would you want to lose money striking when the industrial action in the Mail Centre mean there is nothing to deliver in your office anyway.
Surely it is better to get paid for doing nothing than lose pay for doing nothing?
Might not be the case soon. Was reading recently that the government are thinking of changing the law so that agency staff can be brought in to cover for striking workers
I think you know this but agency has been used a lot in possessing and distribution but have noticed a marked increase since the pandemic of agency in delivery.
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Don't forgot our Divvy of a leader has forced a 2% payrise on us ,and will be backdating. So we have an average of £150 coming in our wages.Just use this for strike days.So really u don't lose any money.Full walkout for at least 2 days.Wot a cleaver plan by simple simon.
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Cwu you get your reps to make sure staff are aware.
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

Is a 1 day strike going to do any damage,
This is a different game to the last time we had a national strike (2009). We're a private company now.

This isn't about building a huge backlog and creating chaos in the pipeline, this is about making our large customers and shareholders nervous because ultimately they will pressure the board to find a solution.

Royal Mail may be able to clear the backlog but it will cost them dearly in potential lost orders and the shareholders won't like that.

The longer that drags on and the longer we're able to afford to keep striking the more pressure will come to resolve it.

A strike for a week or more would be s**t or bust and RM would be able to ride it out knowing when it's over we're done.

An indefinite series of rolling strikes is a far bigger worry for them.
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Post by IloveMYredTROLLEY! »

The danger is an awful lot of OPGs, at least at my depot, have history over the last ~2.5 years of clearing 1-4 days backlog. Even if it meant lots of overtime, just to get their frame clear again after their day off; leave; or their own sickness.

Although silly me forgot that there's a reasonable chance of a paid overtime ban on days after strikes.
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Post by Jefferson Starfish »

wazer wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 21:08
Don't forgot our Divvy of a leader has forced a 2% payrise on us ,and will be backdating. So we have an average of £150 coming in our wages.Just use this for strike days.So really u don't lose any money.Full walkout for at least 2 days.Wot a cleaver plan by simple simon.
If you get £200 gross back pay, you'll get something like £133.50 net.
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Post by SpacePhoenix »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
22 Jun 2022, 17:02
An indefinite series of rolling strikes is a far bigger worry for them.
By function seemed to work reasonable well before say:

Day 1: Logistics
Day 2: MC Processing
Day 3: MC Distribution
Day 4: DOs
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Post by daveyeff »

That would be more effective imo, no mail centre or drivers to take mail to D.O.s so we get no mail to deliver....then next day mail centre at work and drivers taking mail to D.O.s be no posties to deliver it...i think these type of disruptions have a bigger effect.
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
21 Jun 2022, 20:19


Might not be the case soon. Was reading recently that the government are thinking of changing the law so that agency staff can be brought in to cover for striking workers

Yes I read that. The RMT was saying that using less experienced and qualified workers to run essential services would create safety risks for the public and the workforce.

But it puts agency workers in a precarious position whereby the dispute isn't getting resolved and simply makes industrial relations ever worse
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.