1st Class Delivered In Your Own Time If It Is Missed

[SpacePhoenix]

Don't put first class in the frames if you're not taking it out.

Absolutely. However, an edge case: some 1C does make it into the sequenced trays on occassion, and if someone else is prepping your walk and not paying attention it may end up in the frame.

There is ALWAYS 1C in the sequencing, as well as any 2C that has been released by the DTS

[TopperGas]

Don't put first class in the frames if you're not taking it out.

Absolutely. However, an edge case: some 1C does make it into the sequenced trays on occassion, and if someone else is prepping your walk and not paying attention it may end up in the frame.

There is ALWAYS 1C in the sequencing, as well as any 2C that has been released by the DTS

Apparently it always from your own MC but not from mine and also other MC's. I don't get the logic of separating 1c from 2c then your own MC putting it back in the sequencing, or not taking it out in the first place.

[SpacePhoenix]

Don't put first class in the frames if you're not taking it out.

Absolutely. However, an edge case: some 1C does make it into the sequenced trays on occassion, and if someone else is prepping your walk and not paying attention it may end up in the frame.

There is ALWAYS 1C in the sequencing, as well as any 2C that has been released by the DTS

Apparently it always from your own MC but not from mine and also other MC's. I don't get the logic of separating 1c from 2c then your own MC putting it back in the sequencing, or not taking it out in the first place.

For both waves we run the 1C and 2C together and we let the DTS decide what gets released. We're doing it the way its meant to be done.

[Splappy_McSplap]

1) Do as he asks and come back to the office to collect the 1st class that you missed
2) Drive back to the delivery
3) Re-Commence delivery
4) Finish on your time
5) Come back to office and dump all the mail you couldn't deliver (because he made you come back to the office wasting 20 minutes) on his desk
6) Go home

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I asked an AI, its response is copied and pasted below, but remember AIs make mistakes, so independently confirm everything pasted below:

Royal Mail management cannot require, request, imply, or pressure any employee to deliver 1st Class items in their own time. This is prohibited under UK employment law, Royal Mail national agreements, and the Working Time Regulations.

1. Unlawful Deduction of Wages (Employment Rights Act 1996)
Any instruction to complete work without pay is an unlawful deduction of wages.
If a duty overruns, the only lawful options are:

paid overtime

duty adjustment

rescheduling

There is no legal mechanism for unpaid work.

2. Working Time Regulations 1998
All working time must be:

paid

recorded

counted toward weekly limits

“Do it in your own time” is unrecorded, unpaid working time, which breaches the WTR.

3. National Minimum Wage Act
If unpaid time pushes the effective hourly rate below NMW, the employer is in breach of the Act.
Royal Mail cannot legally expose itself to this risk.

4. Royal Mail / CWU National Agreements
Local managers cannot override national agreements.
The IR Framework and Delivery Methods agreements explicitly require:

duties to be achievable in paid time

overtime to be paid when duties exceed time

no local variations without national agreement

“Deliver in your own time” is a forbidden local variation.

5. Universal Service Obligation (USO)
The USO requires Royal Mail to resource duties properly.
If 1st Class cannot be completed in paid time, the correct process is:

paid overtime

or rescheduling

or workload adjustment

The USO does not permit unpaid completion.

6. Managerial Authority Limits
Local management does not have the legal or contractual authority to impose:

unpaid work

off‑the‑clock delivery

personal‑time completion of duties

Any such instruction is void, unenforceable, and a breach of both contract and law.

[Emohawk]

Anyone else have a manager phoning you up when you’re out on delivery if you miss even 1 1st class letter in the fitting (of mail you don’t take out) they make us come back to the depot to get it and if this causes us to be late finishing we have to do it in our own time unpaid! Surely this is illegal, forcing us to work unpaid? Just when you think this company can’t get any worse it does…

Our manager gives it out to the LAT parcel.duties. I have pointed out why should I be punished for someone not doing their job.

[yellowbelly]

Anyone else have a manager phoning you up when you’re out on delivery if you miss even 1 1st class letter in the fitting (of mail you don’t take out) they make us come back to the depot to get it and if this causes us to be late finishing we have to do it in our own time unpaid! Surely this is illegal, forcing us to work unpaid? Just when you think this company can’t get any worse it does…

Our manager gives it out to the LAT parcel.duties. I have pointed out why should I be punished for someone not doing their job.

Do you get paid for it or are you doing in your own time?

[ihatedogs]

Simple, don't answer your phone to them. Even better, block them

Had a minor run in with a manager once. Blocked all the managers & Admin staff. One asked me how they're supposed to get in touch if they need me to come back to the office. Just shrugged my shoulders. That lasted over six months, after which I unblocked them all & only answered the ones that were reasonable/decent.

[qwerty2]

Simple, don't answer your phone to them. Even better, block them

Had a minor run in with a manager once. Blocked all the managers & Admin staff. One asked me how they're supposed to get in touch if they need me to come back to the office. Just shrugged my shoulders. That lasted over six months, after which I unblocked them all & only answered the ones that were reasonable/decent.

They can phone the PDA!!!!!!

[A2B]

They can phone the PDA!!!!!!

They haven't got a clue what the numbers for each PDA are in our office

[yellowbelly]

They can phone the PDA!!!!!!

They haven't got a clue what the numbers for each PDA are in our office

No, but I've occasionally had random calls from loft insulation/car accident claim companies!

[SpacePhoenix]

They can phone the PDA!!!!!!

They haven't got a clue what the numbers for each PDA are in our office

Sounds like the screws at your place can't be bothered to phone up IT and get a list sent to them of the phone numbers for the PDAs.

[A2B]

They can phone the PDA!!!!!!

They haven't got a clue what the numbers for each PDA are in our office

Sounds like the screws at your place can't be bothered to phone up IT and get a list sent to them of the phone numbers for the PDAs.

They have the list somewhere, I can almost guarantee the only time a PDA has been called by management is when one gets mislaid.