LTB 108/26 - RESOLUTION OF RMG & CWU DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESSES - DEPLOYMENT OF USO REFORM AND EQUALISATION OF NEW ENTRANTS’ PAY, TERMS & CONDITIONS

[claretandblue]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

It's all in the agreement, I suggest that you read it.

[SpacePhoenix]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

It's all in the agreement, I suggest that you read it.

Totally irrelevant, as that's how the DTS works.

[Duesouth]

Whats the alternative CWU? Because I don't think any of the pilot offices have worked and will not work. But lets all just get strung along and see where this takes us.

I don't think either the business or the union know what the game plan is. Its a mess, and it will only get worse before it gets better.

Every day is different with traffic volumes and the hours you work. I don't think there is one size fits all. Its going to be do what you can to manage up to your time, which is what we all are currently doing.

I've looked at the extend of the agreement and it's not favourable for new starts. Yes they get 3% on top of 1.75% but still doesn't match the legacy contracts, and there overtime rate is cut from 1.25 to 1.0. Most new entrants are part time and some like the extra overtime just to meet with living standards. This is not going to retain staff, all this will do is show them the door as there is probably better opportunities.

Maybe the union can write for us a hundred times over.

'Must do better'.

[world class male]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

It's all in the agreement, I suggest that you read it.

Totally irrelevant, as that's how the DTS works.

2nd class may get delivered to a DO on a sat but it's not going to leave it until mon/tue...if lucky

[Perseus]

The alternative would be a slight change on what is proposed - make Saturday a normal working day the way it is now.

Mon-Wed-Fri Duty A and B all items and Duty C and D premium stuff (3 staff)
Tue-Thur-Sat Duty C and D all items and Duty A and B premium stuff (3 staff)

[yellowbelly]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

It's all in the agreement, I suggest that you read it.

Totally irrelevant, as that's how the DTS works.

Unless (as you say) there's a 2nd for a DP that's got a 1st, other 2nd might get to the DO (under DTS release) but it won't be getting delivered.

From the agreement:

On Saturday all walks will be 1c and parcels only

[yellowbelly]

Furthermore (from the agreement):

On Saturday all walks will be 1c and parcels only

Does this mean a parcel of Bob the Builder socks and sweets for little Freddie that Granny has posted 2nd class will be getting delivered on a Saturday?

[fredtheegg]

Link to the full documents:

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-112-26-cwu- ... agreement/


It's in one of the two Annexes:

https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... 026-v3.pdf

• All employees on New Entrants’ contracts will receive a 4.75 % pay rise (see Appendix 1)
flowing through to London Pay ranges and Scottish Distance Island overtime and SA rates
and a 3% flow through to pensionable and non-pensionable shift allowances. This
represents a first step in closing the differential on pay, and is effective from 1st April 2026.

• As a further alignment step, the overtime rate for all new entrants (including those on a
fulltime equivalent working week above 37 hours) shall be x 1 the applicable hourly rate,
no later than 1st June 2026.

Thank you. It was in the elusive appendix

[claretandblue]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

It's all in the agreement, I suggest that you read it.

Totally irrelevant, as that's how the DTS works.

Appendix I

[Mr Rush]

Furthermore (from the agreement):

On Saturday all walks will be 1c and parcels only

Does this mean a parcel of Bob the Builder socks and sweets for little Freddie that Granny has posted 2nd class will be getting delivered on a Saturday?

I'm absolutely sure you won't find those non-Tracked items shoved into the slots on Monday morning.

[Pfrizzy10]

CWU taking a pounding in Facebook comments for their No more ODM with clapping hands emoji post and rightfully so

They must take us for absolute idiots to think we would swallow this s**t

I can only think they believe members have a short memory and can't remember the previous trialled methods.
It's as if they have been told by RM that this is being brought in, non negotiable. RM let them sit inside the tent long enough to tie it into a pay deal and the CWU get to name it and choose the colours of the frames.

Lol. The union only think they have a say in Royal Mail. It’s coming so we may all just accept and get on with it. At the end of the day, if it fails and mail sits in frames for days, who gives a bollocks? We all still get paid as we do now.

Still surprising there's no "stick" to encourage us to vote "Yes" I can't see how the CWU are going to get a "Yes" vote, when we're basically voting for additional work with nothing in return.

We are getting a pay rise and potentially more Saturdays off. How is it additional work when you are still working 37 hours? What I do in my time now will be exactly the same as what I do in my time when changes come in

We're entitled to an annual pay rise regardless?

When the changes come in you'll do what your manager tells you, at the moment you just do whatever duty you're assigned to each day.

Regardless I assume you'll be one of the few who'll be voting "Yes" then?

I’ll do what I have to do within my time and not a second more, which is exactly what I do now. Nothing changes.

Royal Mail will go ahead with it no matter what you vote. I’m not in the CWU so I won’t be voting for anything.

[SpacePhoenix]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

It's all in the agreement, I suggest that you read it.

Totally irrelevant, as that's how the DTS works.

Appendix I

They can dream on, we only just have enough mech staff as it is. There aren't the staff to do massive batches on a Sunday. Whoever wrote that has no understanding of how DTS works. It's 100% number of days elapsed since an item was first seen by a machine. The day of the week doesn't come into it.

[The Postman]

The problem with 50% on a rural is you still may have to drive down every farm track with a 1c or tracked so you'll take less out but not gain any time.

Plus you'll have double the amount of mail than you do now on one side of your frame every day. (Triple on a monday.) Then you've got to cover the tracked and 1c on top of that. There will be no free time.

[Sean06]

it always amazes me no matter is said on here or on facebook whatever the union recommend its always a yes vote.

[tramssirhc]

Saturdays will never be pure 1C, you're going to have 2C mech as well. Either 2C that has been released as there is a 1C item for the same DP or 2C has hit the time limit. The DTS system goes purely on the number of elapsed days since an item first went through an iLSM or IMP (the machines that sort the mail into batches).

It's all in the agreement, I suggest that you read it.

Totally irrelevant, as that's how the DTS works.

Appendix I

They can dream on, we only just have enough mech staff as it is. There aren't the staff to do massive batches on a Sunday. Whoever wrote that has no understanding of how DTS works. It's 100% number of days elapsed since an item was first seen by a machine. The day of the week doesn't come into it.

The CWU knows full well it's every item that is due delivery, or as it's known 'due mail'. That can and will be whatever needs to go to prevent it being a failure. Lets not forget 2nd day redeliveries, priority locker items, colod, collections.