Answer a few points

[goneaway]

2 people lifting an empty HCT into a van not really a problem but lifting a full HCT is madness

The van should be equipped with a lift and it should be strapped in.
If people are lifting full HCTs into the back of a van then they are stupid.

A few years ago when I was a reserve, I covered an HCT duty at another office, but it was a mile or two from the office. I was taken out by a driver and the HCT was put in the back of the van via a fold-out ramp, so no lifting required. I honestly can't remember if the HCT was strapped-in, or whether they just relied on its brakes being applied. Whether any risk assessment was done for that whole system of work, I have no idea.

[clashcityrocker]

There isn't annual leave cover now.

Whether you have annual leave cover now is irrelevant.
You asked where another body will come from at Christmas. The fact nobody is on annual leave means you will have extra bodies in your office.

[SpacePhoenix]

How are most offices ever going to be fully resourced when RM is only paying around the minimum wage and staff are leaving virtually weekly?

Can anybody seriously see the CWU will stop units from introducing DM26 if we vote Yes just due to staff shortages?

A little pointless really, it starts going live next week for a few DOs. The DTS algorithm gets updated over the weekend, so it'll probably be just a click of a mouse to switch it over for the mech as each DO goes live.

[funkflex55]

How are most offices ever going to be fully resourced when RM is only paying around the minimum wage and staff are leaving virtually weekly?

Can anybody seriously see the CWU will stop units from introducing DM26 if we vote Yes just due to staff shortages?

A little pointless really, it starts going live next week for a few DOs. The DTS algorithm gets updated over the weekend, so it'll probably be just a click of a mouse to switch it over for the mech as each DO goes live.

Didn't you say a while ago that MCs would not have capacity to hold.mail back? Will they now be doing so?

[Valentina@1]

Its pretty clear to see whats happening,…within 3 years DK
Will continue to bang the “we can’t compete with Amazon and others” drum,the government won’t dare to intervene and make it so called level playing field ,run letters into ground,keep saying we making no profit and therefore inforce owner driver model,and i wouldn’t be surprised if he even sell to Amazon

Sad times

[SpacePhoenix]

How are most offices ever going to be fully resourced when RM is only paying around the minimum wage and staff are leaving virtually weekly?

Can anybody seriously see the CWU will stop units from introducing DM26 if we vote Yes just due to staff shortages?

A little pointless really, it starts going live next week for a few DOs. The DTS algorithm gets updated over the weekend, so it'll probably be just a click of a mouse to switch it over for the mech as each DO goes live.

Didn't you say a while ago that MCs would not have capacity to hold.mail back? Will they now be doing so?

It's more the practicality of running it all. This time of year when there isn't so much mail the batches will be doable, but once we get to the autumn I think the batches will end up being to big to run. Once you get to around 7000+ items it can be an hour to run each batch. I don't think the weekend shift have got the staff they they'll need to run it. If it gets busy enough as a result of all this then RM will have no choice but to put the dispatch times back probably by an hour to allow time to run much bigger batches.

Still not seen anything concrete about what will happen on a Friday with any 2C or DSA that has hit the time limit for the product. It sounds like they aren't going to have it be released a day early. As it stands the system is literally done by the number of days after an item is first seen by a machine.

I think we'll all have to wait and see how it plays out in practice. 1C and 2C manual letters and flats have been going in separate trays to DOs for a while now. The 2C manual letters and flats will still have to go to the IPS frames as you'll need to extract the 2C for the walks that are due 2C that day.

I think there's a good chances of Mondays at least, very likely Tuesdays as well when you get a 100% call rate some days. With 2 days of 2C mail it might some days cover every DP between the 2 days worth of 2C.

[funkflex55]

How are most offices ever going to be fully resourced when RM is only paying around the minimum wage and staff are leaving virtually weekly?

Can anybody seriously see the CWU will stop units from introducing DM26 if we vote Yes just due to staff shortages?

A little pointless really, it starts going live next week for a few DOs. The DTS algorithm gets updated over the weekend, so it'll probably be just a click of a mouse to switch it over for the mech as each DO goes live.

Didn't you say a while ago that MCs would not have capacity to hold.mail back? Will they now be doing so?

It's more the practicality of running it all. This time of year when there isn't so much mail the batches will be doable, but once we get to the autumn I think the batches will end up being to big to run. Once you get to around 7000+ items it can be an hour to run each batch. I don't think the weekend shift have got the staff they they'll need to run it. If it gets busy enough as a result of all this then RM will have no choice but to put the dispatch times back probably by an hour to allow time to run much bigger batches.

Still not seen anything concrete about what will happen on a Friday with any 2C or DSA that has hit the time limit for the product. It sounds like they aren't going to have it be released a day early. As it stands the system is literally done by the number of days after an item is first seen by a machine.

I think we'll all have to wait and see how it plays out in practice. 1C and 2C manual letters and flats have been going in separate trays to DOs for a while now. The 2C manual letters and flats will still have to go to the IPS frames as you'll need to extract the 2C for the walks that are due 2C that day.

I think there's a good chances of Mondays at least, very likely Tuesdays as well when you get a 100% call rate some days. With 2 days of 2C mail it might some days cover every DP between the 2 days worth of 2C.

Thanks for the detailed update. A call rate that high will make the expected loop completion impossible. No management have asked my opinion on how long the loops will be taking with the extra call rates. Maybe it's been done via PDA data. Or maybe they are just winging it.

[Acca Dacca]

How are most offices ever going to be fully resourced when RM is only paying around the minimum wage and staff are leaving virtually weekly?

Can anybody seriously see the CWU will stop units from introducing DM26 if we vote Yes just due to staff shortages?

A little pointless really, it starts going live next week for a few DOs. The DTS algorithm gets updated over the weekend, so it'll probably be just a click of a mouse to switch it over for the mech as each DO goes live.

Didn't you say a while ago that MCs would not have capacity to hold.mail back? Will they now be doing so?

It's more the practicality of running it all. This time of year when there isn't so much mail the batches will be doable, but once we get to the autumn I think the batches will end up being to big to run. Once you get to around 7000+ items it can be an hour to run each batch. I don't think the weekend shift have got the staff they they'll need to run it. If it gets busy enough as a result of all this then RM will have no choice but to put the dispatch times back probably by an hour to allow time to run much bigger batches.

Still not seen anything concrete about what will happen on a Friday with any 2C or DSA that has hit the time limit for the product. It sounds like they aren't going to have it be released a day early. As it stands the system is literally done by the number of days after an item is first seen by a machine.

I think we'll all have to wait and see how it plays out in practice. 1C and 2C manual letters and flats have been going in separate trays to DOs for a while now. The 2C manual letters and flats will still have to go to the IPS frames as you'll need to extract the 2C for the walks that are due 2C that day.

I think there's a good chances of Mondays at least, very likely Tuesdays as well when you get a 100% call rate some days. With 2 days of 2C mail it might some days cover every DP between the 2 days worth of 2C.

There wont be 100% call rates because the model is built on only taking all products for 50% of your frames and only 1st class letters ( and Tracked ) for the other 50%

Unless you mean you will be going to every door of that 50% but thats different

[Mr Rush]

I think there's a good chances of Mondays at least, very likely Tuesdays as well when you get a 100% call rate some days.

A call rate that high will make the expected loop completion impossible.

Walks in 2006 were set above 80%, as high as 90% as I recall on those which were predominantly stairs. To go back to that as the company intends, my office would have to progressively reinstate the sixteen(?) duties lost in the intervening two decades in order to accommodate anything above the present 20-30% callrate. We've been told just four walks are being put back in (really eight, but four of them are Schrödinger's duties).

But, hey, at least the first column of D2D will be gone in one swoop!

[postslippete]

and i wouldn’t be surprised if he even sell to Amazon

Sad times

I can see why you have connected the dots but I doubt that Amazon wants a company that carries the burden of nationwide address coverage and the USO plus a unionised workforce with legacy terms and pension obligations.

I think its more likely what you said in the first part that RM will increasingly adopt the operating methods of parcel competitors because the anxiety seems to be over owner-driver models, low cost labour, more flexibility and 2-tier workforces

[SpacePhoenix]

How are most offices ever going to be fully resourced when RM is only paying around the minimum wage and staff are leaving virtually weekly?

Can anybody seriously see the CWU will stop units from introducing DM26 if we vote Yes just due to staff shortages?

A little pointless really, it starts going live next week for a few DOs. The DTS algorithm gets updated over the weekend, so it'll probably be just a click of a mouse to switch it over for the mech as each DO goes live.

Didn't you say a while ago that MCs would not have capacity to hold.mail back? Will they now be doing so?

It's more the practicality of running it all. This time of year when there isn't so much mail the batches will be doable, but once we get to the autumn I think the batches will end up being to big to run. Once you get to around 7000+ items it can be an hour to run each batch. I don't think the weekend shift have got the staff they they'll need to run it. If it gets busy enough as a result of all this then RM will have no choice but to put the dispatch times back probably by an hour to allow time to run much bigger batches.

Still not seen anything concrete about what will happen on a Friday with any 2C or DSA that has hit the time limit for the product. It sounds like they aren't going to have it be released a day early. As it stands the system is literally done by the number of days after an item is first seen by a machine.

I think we'll all have to wait and see how it plays out in practice. 1C and 2C manual letters and flats have been going in separate trays to DOs for a while now. The 2C manual letters and flats will still have to go to the IPS frames as you'll need to extract the 2C for the walks that are due 2C that day.

I think there's a good chances of Mondays at least, very likely Tuesdays as well when you get a 100% call rate some days. With 2 days of 2C mail it might some days cover every DP between the 2 days worth of 2C.

There wont be 100% call rates because the model is built on only taking all products for 50% of your frames and only 1st class letters ( and Tracked ) for the other 50%

Unless you mean you will be going to every door of that 50% but thats different

Is it being done as 50% of the loops for a walk or all of a walk? We're under the impression that it's whole walks only. When there's two days worth of 2C, or 3 days sometimes there's probably a fair chance of there being at least one letter for each DP on a walk on the Monday or Tuesday.

[jessicarabbit]

Some walks will be split 50:50

In the van share pairings. 1 entire walk will be all mail whilst the paired walk will be 1c only. Then the next day they flip.

[TopperGas]

How are most offices ever going to be fully resourced when RM is only paying around the minimum wage and staff are leaving virtually weekly?

Can anybody seriously see the CWU will stop units from introducing DM26 if we vote Yes just due to staff shortages?

A little pointless really, it starts going live next week for a few DOs. The DTS algorithm gets updated over the weekend, so it'll probably be just a click of a mouse to switch it over for the mech as each DO goes live.

Didn't you say a while ago that MCs would not have capacity to hold.mail back? Will they now be doing so?

It's more the practicality of running it all. This time of year when there isn't so much mail the batches will be doable, but once we get to the autumn I think the batches will end up being to big to run. Once you get to around 7000+ items it can be an hour to run each batch. I don't think the weekend shift have got the staff they they'll need to run it. If it gets busy enough as a result of all this then RM will have no choice but to put the dispatch times back probably by an hour to allow time to run much bigger batches.

Still not seen anything concrete about what will happen on a Friday with any 2C or DSA that has hit the time limit for the product. It sounds like they aren't going to have it be released a day early. As it stands the system is literally done by the number of days after an item is first seen by a machine.

I think we'll all have to wait and see how it plays out in practice. 1C and 2C manual letters and flats have been going in separate trays to DOs for a while now. The 2C manual letters and flats will still have to go to the IPS frames as you'll need to extract the 2C for the walks that are due 2C that day.

I think there's a good chances of Mondays at least, very likely Tuesdays as well when you get a 100% call rate some days. With 2 days of 2C mail it might some days cover every DP between the 2 days worth of 2C.

There wont be 100% call rates because the model is built on only taking all products for 50% of your frames and only 1st class letters ( and Tracked ) for the other 50%

Unless you mean you will be going to every door of that 50% but thats different

Is it being done as 50% of the loops for a walk or all of a walk? We're under the impression that it's whole walks only. When there's two days worth of 2C, or 3 days sometimes there's probably a fair chance of there being at least one letter for each DP on a walk on the Monday or Tuesday.

We've had duties in our DO which haven't gone out for a week which haven't hit 100%, assuming it's a max of 3 days post then that shouldn't exceed 75%

[yellowbelly]

Pension Surplus- The EP agreement says we will get a share of the pension surplus when the Trustees are satisfied. There are two pension surpluses , the first is from the Care Scheme and the other. Is from the Cash balance which is smaller.

When we get a share it will go into the employee benefit scheme which will also generate 10% of any profit made by the company in future pay rises.
What does that even mean ? Sorry for being thick could someone explain that

This surplus was at risk of going exclusively to EP. At the appropriate point the union and our democratic process including our conference with decide how we use it. There is a motion at this years conference asking the union to use the pension surplus to reduce from 67 to 65 the age under new pension scheme when you receive your full pension.
It would have been doubtful the trustees would have done that-technically yes they could do that...but not very likely unless they were pressured by RM.
I see the CWU have put themselves centre in deciding what happens - what about a vote to members on how they would like their money used.
A choice of options and pension scheme members only vote on how the pension surplus is used.
It is our money
Who exactly asked the CWU to decide what happens to our pension money - members of the scheme certainly did not.

Colleagues should get a wriggle on and make representations to their branch how they want the branch to vote at:

CWU Conference 2026 - 12/5 to 14/5 https://www.cwu.org/event/cwu-biannual-conference/

Agenda Item number 1

CATEGORY A: Conference notes that the RMCPP has an NRA of 67.

The Postal Executive is instructed, working with the CWU Trustees, to
negotiate an NRA of 65, possibly funded by the surplus within the previous
RM pension scheme.

London Phoenix

The voting at the Conference has been published and the above agenda item was carried....

[Hyrrokkin]

Pension Surplus- The EP agreement says we will get a share of the pension surplus when the Trustees are satisfied. There are two pension surpluses , the first is from the Care Scheme and the other. Is from the Cash balance which is smaller.

When we get a share it will go into the employee benefit scheme which will also generate 10% of any profit made by the company in future pay rises.
What does that even mean ? Sorry for being thick could someone explain that

This surplus was at risk of going exclusively to EP. At the appropriate point the union and our democratic process including our conference with decide how we use it. There is a motion at this years conference asking the union to use the pension surplus to reduce from 67 to 65 the age under new pension scheme when you receive your full pension.
It would have been doubtful the trustees would have done that-technically yes they could do that...but not very likely unless they were pressured by RM.
I see the CWU have put themselves centre in deciding what happens - what about a vote to members on how they would like their money used.
A choice of options and pension scheme members only vote on how the pension surplus is used.
It is our money
Who exactly asked the CWU to decide what happens to our pension money - members of the scheme certainly did not.

Colleagues should get a wriggle on and make representations to their branch how they want the branch to vote at:

CWU Conference 2026 - 12/5 to 14/5 https://www.cwu.org/event/cwu-biannual-conference/

Agenda Item number 1

CATEGORY A: Conference notes that the RMCPP has an NRA of 67.

The Postal Executive is instructed, working with the CWU Trustees, to
negotiate an NRA of 65, possibly funded by the surplus within the previous
RM pension scheme.

London Phoenix

The voting at the Conference has been published and the above agenda item was carried....

Of course we the actual members of the scheme have had zero say on any of this - disgrace.
Who decided that the CWU would take charge and decide for us.
It is our money and we must have a say on how this pension surplus is used if it goes that far.
This surplus is our money and pension members of that scheme must be the only ones who benefit from it.
The CWU want to reduce the pension age of the new scheme paid for by the surplus to benefit people who never paid into the scheme.
Is that what RMPP members want - i very much doubt it...but the vast majority do not even know this is actually happening.
It is a disgrace and legalised theft.
Come on Martin respond you have been pretty vocal last couple of weeks !