overtime ban

[jackthecube]

I have 92.5 hours unused holiday pay I can't book.

[k979aaa]

I have 92.5 hours unused holiday pay I can't book.

Just take it when you want and say it is not my fault you cannot organize leave as you cannot do your job title!

[ProudhonPJ]

It's a terrible idea that would just further split the workforce. Many part timers already suspect the union are only interested in looking after the old school full timers, such a bad would just confirm that in their minds. And on a practical level, how do you do it? Does it include all overtime? So collections, early starts, lats, merges, pressure overtime and rest day working? Or just pressure after a strike?

It's quite obviously a terrible idea. Yes, it makes sense to have a ban on doing more than 35 hours. That's all that really should be considered 'overtime'. Those on unethical 25 hour contracts don't really do 'overtime' when they work 35 hours, they simply work the hours that should have been on their contract in the first place. It would help if those extra hours are not referred to as overtime. Of course it's not f**king overtime.
So, yes, have a ban on overtime, by all means. But make that anything over 35 hours and stop making things worse for the exploited people with shite contracts.

[WalkerX]

It's a terrible idea that would just further split the workforce. Many part timers already suspect the union are only interested in looking after the old school full timers, such a bad would just confirm that in their minds. And on a practical level, how do you do it? Does it include all overtime? So collections, early starts, lats, merges, pressure overtime and rest day working? Or just pressure after a strike?

It's quite obviously a terrible idea. Yes, it makes sense to have a ban on doing more than 35 hours. That's all that really should be considered 'overtime'. Those on unethical 25 hour contracts don't really do 'overtime' when they work 35 hours, they simply work the hours that should have been on their contract in the first place. It would help if those extra hours are not referred to as overtime. Of course it's not f**king overtime.
So, yes, have a ban on overtime, by all means. But make that anything over 35 hours and stop making things worse for the exploited people with shite contracts.

[Schiff]

It really doesn't need an overtime ban organised by the union to make life extremely difficult for RM. For the reasons already stated it would be unlikely to gain solid support so would simply be seen as a sign of weakness and lack of resolve by RM.

It simply needs every one of us who can afford not to work overtime to do exactly that. Make that our personal choice then no ballot is needed. It isn't industrial action - simply our personal withdrawal of goodwill in response to our employer's actions towards us.

[Surreypostie]

I have 92.5 hours unused holiday pay I can't book.

Just take it when you want and say it is not my fault you cannot organize leave as you cannot do your job title!

A few years ago, I think it was Ryan Air, it was definitely an airline, kept refusing all their pilots leave. At the end of the year, they could no longer refuse and ended up cancelling 1000's of flights as they had to give all their aircrew their time off. Royal mail can refuse you leave but, at some stage they have to give you all of it, you can carry some over but that has to be my mutal agreement. I did see a template letter somewhere for people in this situation, if you were to take RM to a tribunal, you would win.

[Woody Guthrie]

Make that our personal choice then no ballot is needed. It isn't industrial action - simply our personal withdrawal of goodwill in response to our employer's actions towards us.

As far as I'm aware overtime is already a personal choice and people have chosen to do it.

So what do you propose to do to change that situation that wouldn't be construed as organising an overtime ban?

This is probably the most dead end of dead end conversations.

[Schiff]

Make that our personal choice then no ballot is needed. It isn't industrial action - simply our personal withdrawal of goodwill in response to our employer's actions towards us.

As far as I'm aware overtime is already a personal choice and people have chosen to do it.

So what do you propose to do to change that situation that wouldn't be construed as organising an overtime ban?

This is probably the most dead end of dead end conversations.

I will simply be quite vocal about my own individual choice not to work even a minute of overtime. I certainly won't be asking others to follow my lead. I will just keep demonstrating that people can exercise that choice to say "f**k off" whenever they are asked to work beyond their contracted hours.

[fallenworld2022]

the iq levels have went down! how can a part timer be annualised and how can part timers mop up when there will be nothing to mop up as full timers will now be annualised, you do the maths

[HTPostman]

I have 92.5 hours unused holiday pay I can't book.

Just take it when you want and say it is not my fault you cannot organize leave as you cannot do your job title!

Royal mail can refuse you leave but, at some stage they have to give you all of it, you can carry some over but that has to be my mutal agreement. I did see a template letter somewhere for people in this situation, if you were to take RM to a tribunal, you would win.

Correct, and deep down management know that. RM can tell you when to take leave, and can ask you to carry it over but you can refuse and say you want to take it that holiday year. I’ve seen reports of one office where people have weeks (sorry, hundreds of hours) rolled over every year. Personally I only allow less than a single days hours (so 7 ish or less) roll over. Any more and I find the words union, area manager and tribunal gets you your time off, albeit begrudgingly.

[Woody Guthrie]

how can a part timer be annualised

Same way a full-timer can be annualised I guess.

Obviously the shorter the contract the smaller the variance in actual hours but the percentage would probably be the same.

[postieblueshirt]

the iq levels have went down! how can a part timer be annualised and how can part timers mop up when there will be nothing to mop up as full timers will now be annualised, you do the maths

How would a part timer differ from a full timer in this scenario you go over your time its banked? Or is my iq sh@te

[rambo1]

As a PT on 24 hours, it would hardly be worth turning up if the ban included ATD.

Well you took the job must of said in the ad OT isn’t guaranteed
Remember this annualised hours comes in you won’t get paid OT they’ll bank it

Anyone ever thought about what happens with annualised hrs if you leave the business in spring or autumn? Do you get paid/ deducted for the hrs you either have or haven't worked?

[kazardaimenu]

Looks like the law is that RM can only bank 10% of your annual hours and they can’t make you work more than 48 hours a week. so if you start smashing hours out the park in the summer time in theory you should be able to demand hours back when those heavy days roll in unless they have paid you up front in overtime for them.

[SpacePhoenix]

Make that our personal choice then no ballot is needed. It isn't industrial action - simply our personal withdrawal of goodwill in response to our employer's actions towards us.

As far as I'm aware overtime is already a personal choice and people have chosen to do it.

So what do you propose to do to change that situation that wouldn't be construed as organising an overtime ban?

This is probably the most dead end of dead end conversations.

I will simply be quite vocal about my own individual choice not to work even a minute of overtime. I certainly won't be asking others to follow my lead. I will just keep demonstrating that people can exercise that choice to say "f**k off" whenever they are asked to work beyond their contracted hours.

Trouble is if too many suddenly stop doing OT it could be construed by RM to be unofficial industrial action (as there's not been a ballot covering action short of a strike)