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RMCtv : Flexible hours - your questions answered plus important detailed attachments

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How would this crazy idea work in a mail centre where the reliant on agency staff to clear every single day of the year not just peak months? .It’s almost impossible to use odd leave days as it is unless there is a vacancy in your leave group.Another idea from from Royal Mail that might work in 10% of offices but the other 90% absolute chaos.
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I honestly think they haven't even thought of other parts of the business, I doubt even Simon has thought how it will work in MCs or any of the back office roles.

For example, how does it work in CS? we don't really have quiet periods or times hours can be banked and it's been understaff (like every CS department is) for years.

Even now, which is the 'quiet period' for CS, the phones have massive daily queues and over Xmas you might have hundreds in the queue that just get cut off at the current end time, and the less said about the email queue over Xmas the better - last year for instance they mass closed the entire queue multiple times it got so big (tens of thousands of emails).

It feels like they want to force this onto deliveries and then they'll 'realise' its unworkable for every other unit and never extend it.
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Minischoles wrote:
30 Aug 2022, 17:13
I honestly think they haven't even thought of other parts of the business, I doubt even Simon has thought how it will work in MCs or any of the back office roles.

For example, how does it work in CS? we don't really have quiet periods or times hours can be banked and it's been understaff (like every CS department is) for years.

Even now, which is the 'quiet period' for CS, the phones have massive daily queues and over Xmas you might have hundreds in the queue that just get cut off at the current end time, and the less said about the email queue over Xmas the better - last year for instance they mass closed the entire queue multiple times it got so big (tens of thousands of emails).

It feels like they want to force this onto deliveries and then they'll 'realise' its unworkable for every other unit and never extend it.
"Si" hasn't thought it through at all.

He's just got it into his thick head that the workforce is a problem to be solved, we're all lazy malingerers walking slowly and getting paid for loads of unworked hours. This is just his way of screwing us over.

It hasn't occured to him that the company is run by completely useless failures. Because he is one.
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Post by Acca Dacca »

Ive seen this a few times but everyone seems to be misreading it, at least to my eyes

''Its not so extreme to say you CANT deliver in the dark'' surely means hes saying we shouldnt be delivering in the dark

If it was 'its not so extreme to say you CAN deliver in the dark' that would mean he thinks we can

for example

Person A ''Its too extreme to say you cant deliver in the dark''

Person B ''No, its not too extreme to say you cant deliver in the dark''

Person B is saying we shouldnt be delivering in the dark, and thats what the caption says in the picture above
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Acca Dacca wrote:
30 Aug 2022, 19:13
Ive seen this a few times but everyone seems to be misreading it, at least to my eyes

''Its not so extreme to say you CANT deliver in the dark'' surely means hes saying we shouldnt be delivering in the dark

If it was 'its not so extreme to say you CAN deliver in the dark' that would mean he thinks we can

for example

Person A ''Its too extreme to say you cant deliver in the dark''

Person B ''No, its not too extreme to say you cant deliver in the dark''

Person B is saying we shouldnt be delivering in the dark, and thats what the caption says in the picture above
The screen shot with the single text box is misleading, what he says before that (and I'm paraphrasing)
is that the problems with delivering in the dark
But it's not so extreme to say that you can't deliver in the dark
,
he further goes on to say we've done it before.

So he IS saying 'we' CAN deliver in the dark. He means the problems with delivering in the dark are not so extreme
to say you can't deliver in the dark.
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Post by Acca Dacca »

That makes more sense 'the problems are not so extreme that it means you say you cant deliver in the dark'

I had just seen that picture and text

Thanks for explaining
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Post by Woody Guthrie »

he further goes on to say we've done it before.
I'm getting really tired of this s**t.
If you can't tell the difference in the dangers of delivering in the morning in the dark and delivering at night in the dark just shut the f**k up.
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Post by sindba »

Woody Guthrie wrote:
30 Aug 2022, 21:03
he further goes on to say we've done it before.
I'm getting really tired of this s**t.
If you can't tell the difference in the dangers of delivering in the morning in the dark and delivering at night in the dark just shut the f**k up.
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Really don't understand the need to get so stressed about all this shite. No union would ever agree to it, so be grateful of your union representation.
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If they cannot abide by agreements how can anyone trust them to get their hours right and honor it as they break every agreement with impunity at the moment!
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RTP wrote:
30 Aug 2022, 23:43
Really don't understand the need to get so stressed about all this shite. No union would ever agree to it, so be grateful of your union representation.
That might well be the case, but what if they bring this in via executive action, what happens then?
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Post by Pidleypoo »

SMS1969 wrote:
31 Aug 2022, 07:45
RTP wrote:
30 Aug 2022, 23:43
Really don't understand the need to get so stressed about all this shite. No union would ever agree to it, so be grateful of your union representation.
That might well be the case, but what if they bring this in via executive action, what happens then?
They can’t bring this in by ia because it requires a change of contract.

Fire and rehire would cost them hundreds of millions , if not billions for a variety of reasons.
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Post by Pidleypoo »

Pidleypoo wrote:
31 Aug 2022, 10:09
SMS1969 wrote:
31 Aug 2022, 07:45
RTP wrote:
30 Aug 2022, 23:43
Really don't understand the need to get so stressed about all this shite. No union would ever agree to it, so be grateful of your union representation.
That might well be the case, but what if they bring this in via executive action, what happens then?
They can’t bring this in by ea because it requires a change of contract.

Fire and rehire would cost them hundreds of millions , if not billions for a variety of reasons.
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yellowbelly wrote:
30 Aug 2022, 19:23
Acca Dacca wrote:
30 Aug 2022, 19:13
Ive seen this a few times but everyone seems to be misreading it, at least to my eyes

''Its not so extreme to say you CANT deliver in the dark'' surely means hes saying we shouldnt be delivering in the dark

If it was 'its not so extreme to say you CAN deliver in the dark' that would mean he thinks we can

for example

Person A ''Its too extreme to say you cant deliver in the dark''

Person B ''No, its not too extreme to say you cant deliver in the dark''

Person B is saying we shouldnt be delivering in the dark, and thats what the caption says in the picture above
The screen shot with the single text box is misleading, what he says before that (and I'm paraphrasing)
is that the problems with delivering in the dark
But it's not so extreme to say that you can't deliver in the dark
,
he further goes on to say we've done it before.

https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/images/simon-eric.jpg

So he IS saying 'we' CAN deliver in the dark. He means the problems with delivering in the dark are not so extreme
to say you can't deliver in the dark.
Thank you Yellow, If you watch the whole video from workplace it makes sense, I obviously didn't realise that the screenshot could be taken different ways.
Sorry Acca and any others who were confused.
Either way, the business has no problem with posties delivering in the dark.

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#He has the right amount of screenshots-just not the right amount of words in them
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