Royal mail proposal's

[richietns]

They could introduce these proposals tomorrow but they won't ever be implemented. The managers simply do not have enough brains to know how to turn an idea into a plan and then implement it.

The later starts one would be triggered by RM axing most of Skynet. All managers would have no choice but to make all shifts start 2-3 hours later

Yet they aren't really pursuing that they initially said they were going to drop flights which I assume you are talking about but are more bothered about Sundays and sick policy it doesn't seem to be at the forefront anymore.

[SpacePhoenix]

They could introduce these proposals tomorrow but they won't ever be implemented. The managers simply do not have enough brains to know how to turn an idea into a plan and then implement it.

The later starts one would be triggered by RM axing most of Skynet. All managers would have no choice but to make all shifts start 2-3 hours later

Yet they aren't really pursuing that they initially said they were going to drop flights which I assume you are talking about but are more bothered about Sundays and sick policy it doesn't seem to be at the forefront anymore.

My gut feeling is that they'd give the notice to quit contracts with the relevant plane companies, then tell everyone, at that point there'd be no choice with the later starts

[norris9]

Then they'd have to do the revisions all over again to factor in the 10 to 30 minute losses in time stuck in rush hour traffic.

Imagine the cost to Royal Mail if rush hour traffic slows every Postman down across the country by an average of 10 minutes per day.

[tractorboy2]

I particularly like the bit about the Two Tier Workforce .... Not!

So Union Members have worked for decades to get a SWW and gradually reduce the week by an hour a year. They've also managed to get a regular pay rise (although always with strings attached ).

Then along come RM's Bright Sparks and with one sweeping suggestion say they want New Recruits to be working a 40 hour week again, and accept a reduced hourly pay rate. But with the sweetener that they'll be an enhanced OT rate. I wouldn't piss in their mouths if their teeth were on fire! I suppose they're be relying on the usual apathy of Longer Serving Full Time Staff, to the predicament of their Newer Colleagues to sign off on this ...... Provided of course they get "Their" £200 bonus.

I been saying for years that the CWU should be pursuing an improved OT rate. RM are saying our biggest costs are our staff... No Shite Sherlock. IMO you get a pretty good deal on it considering the ammount of OT this business needs to function and the paltry OT rates that you pay. RM say they want to use Annualised hours to save money in the lighter periods. Well you already do Dickheads it's called "PRESSURE OVERTIME"! in the Light Summer I only have to book 20-60 mins PRESSURE OVERTIME .... in the Heavy Winter I book 1-2 Hours PRESSURE OVERTIME. Go Figure

Wasn't it the union that got the OT rate at the paltry level that it is ? Voted in by the membership who couldn't see pass the carrot.
Can't remember which agreement , but it was the one where they didn't want you reliant on overtime and gave an increased basic wage.

[Lawrencepa2014]

With ‘commit to deliver’ will we get paid extra for any time we go over?

[Woody Guthrie]

They could introduce these proposals tomorrow but they won't ever be implemented. The managers simply do not have enough brains to know how to turn an idea into a plan and then implement it.

The later starts one would be triggered by RM axing most of Skynet. All managers would have no choice but to make all shifts start 2-3 hours later

Yet they aren't really pursuing that they initially said they were going to drop flights which I assume you are talking about but are more bothered about Sundays and sick policy it doesn't seem to be at the forefront anymore.

My gut feeling is that they'd give the notice to quit contracts with the relevant plane companies, then tell everyone, at that point there'd be no choice with the later starts

I think you're underestimating the level of change and cost involved in moving the entire network.

It's a huge undertaking, much larger than the revision process that failed so miserably last year and would take years to recoup the costs and this would be implemented without union support and against the wishes of the majority of staff, that would be a recipe for an epic cluster f**k.

The air network will be reduced gradually, there won't be any overnight cancelling of contracts, just a gradual switch away from air to road/rail.

[clashcityrocker]

quick question for maybe ...dingo/martin walsh...woody....if RM decide to implement any of these proposed changes via executive action, this will understandably be like a red flag to a bull, and could cause wildcat strikes and walkouts all over the country. would these actions invalidate the upcoming ballot?

I can't give you a definitive answer but I do know that a few years ago when we were in the run up to a IA ballot we took unofficial action and the Area Rep appeared out of nowhere to get us back to work. Clearly he didn't think it was a clever idea.

[Dorset Plodder]

Wasn't it the union that got the OT rate at the paltry level that it is ? Voted in by the membership who couldn't see pass the carrot.
Can't remember which agreement , but it was the one where they didn't want you reliant on overtime and gave an increased basic wage.

I'm sure you're right TB. The CWU was trying to rein in the "Overtime Bandits", and that's why the rate drops after the first 10 hours ..... didn't really work though did it?

It was over 20 years ago I'm sure. Surely time to be re-visting the rates?

[Dorset Plodder]

Axing skynet would mean......"the rise of the machines"...

Very Good Daveyeff My thoughts went straight to Terminator as soon as he mentioned Skynet as well.

[Woody Guthrie]

quick question for maybe ...dingo/martin walsh...woody....if RM decide to implement any of these proposed changes via executive action, this will understandably be like a red flag to a bull, and could cause wildcat strikes and walkouts all over the country. would these actions invalidate the upcoming ballot?

I can't give you a definitive answer but I do know that a few years ago when we were in the run up to a IA ballot we took unofficial action and the Area Rep appeared out of nowhere to get us back to work. Clearly he didn't think it was a clever idea.

Unofficial industrial action is technically unlawful in itself which is why we have a rule 13.

The CWU has to at least make a show that it wasn't involved in the organisation of an unofficial strike by attempting to resolve the issue and give the members a stern talking to. Some branches put on a better show than others.

Whether it would invalidate a national ballot would probably depend on whether Royal Mail could show that the union encouraged or at least condoned the walk outs.

Knowing Royal Mail they would probably try it...

[mjd24]

They could introduce these proposals tomorrow but they won't ever be implemented. The managers simply do not have enough brains to know how to turn an idea into a plan and then implement it.

The later starts one would be triggered by RM axing most of Skynet. All managers would have no choice but to make all shifts start 2-3 hours later

[cheesetoastie]

My proposal is I want Monday - Friday 10am to 5pm and every 4th week include a Saturday and every 5th week I include a Sunday. Weekend work is paid at 1.25 rate!

The key points are

7 hour day
Monday to Friday
35 hours a week
4 Saturdays off out of 5
4 Sundays off our of 5
Weekend enhanced rate - 14 hours guaranteed a month

Royal mail get their later starts! No mail on Saturday!
20% of the workforce available for weekend work!
Thanks

Can Simon please make this happen for me! Cheers

[SpacePhoenix]

Anyone got a list of the current Skynet runs?

[pieoftheday]

My proposal is I want Monday - Friday 10am to 5pm and every 4th week include a Saturday and every 5th week I include a Sunday. Weekend work is paid at 1.25 rate!

The key points are

7 hour day
Monday to Friday
35 hours a week
4 Saturdays off out of 5
4 Sundays off our of 5
Weekend enhanced rate - 14 hours guaranteed a month

Royal mail get their later starts! No mail on Saturday!
20% of the workforce available for weekend work!
Thanks

Can Simon please make this happen for me! Cheers

You can do my Sundays then

[Dorset Plodder]

Can Simon please make this happen for me! Cheers

If you get what you want we'll send yo a "Simon Fixed it for Me" badge!