RMCtv : Ricky McAulay : Update on talks with CWU and Dispute Resolution Process

[Woody Guthrie]

I'll throw something out there with regards to moving delivery times later Martin.

Is the business really proposing to have thousands of female members of staff wandering around council estates after dark on their own?

Really really?

[Schiff]

...the union position is clear, no strings so surely all these strings are irrelevant?

Exactly. If the union are genuinely going to invoke industrial action unless they get a straightforward no strings pay rise then whatever RM want in a "pay deal" is completely irrelevant - unless the union are simply full of bluster whilst already planning on selling out their members.

[richietns]

...the union position is clear, no strings so surely all these strings are irrelevant?

Exactly. If the union are genuinely going to invoke industrial action unless they get a straightforward no strings pay rise then whatever RM want in a "pay deal" is completely irrelevant - unless the union are simply full of bluster whilst already planning on selling out their members.

I think they are just relaying what RM are saying but like woody said in another post its awfully vague from both sides.

[Schiff]

...the union position is clear, no strings so surely all these strings are irrelevant?

Exactly. If the union are genuinely going to invoke industrial action unless they get a straightforward no strings pay rise then whatever RM want in a "pay deal" is completely irrelevant - unless the union are simply full of bluster whilst already planning on selling out their members.

I think they are just relaying what RM are saying but like woody said in another post its awfully vague from both sides.

No. They are running "project fear" preparing us for a pay deal with all sorts of strings, but then selling it as a "deal of the century" victory because it could have been so much worse.

They need to know that the membership expect no strings at all this time around. If the union leadership aren't up for a proper fight then we need a new set of union leaders.

[richietns]

Thats what we will be striking for a pay deal only,thats what terrys said from the start but they still have to tell the members there position on information gathered from RM thats just politics you have to inject a little fear from both sides or people dont think there is a threat.

[Woody Guthrie]

Thats what we will be striking for a pay deal only,thats what terrys said from the start but they still have to tell the members there position on information gathered from RM thats just politics you have to inject a little fear from both sides or people dont think there is a threat.

If the business is deliberately trying to frighten its staff into accepting a lower pay offer should you as a union reinforce that fear by parroting their propaganda?

Don't you just become a mouthpiece for the company?

I would humbly suggest that a union would only do that if it also ultimately wanted the membership to accept a lower offer. If it was preparing the ground for spinning what may in fact be a disappointing result into what sounds like a deal of the century or even worse the only deal on the table.

Yeah but look at what Royal Mail originally wanted...

[richietns]

Problem is they have a duty to inform us of what RM are saying so they are kinda stuck in the middle,we all want to know aswell thats why we pay in,is it bs for a "deal of the century" they could be setting it up for that yes.

[daveyeff]

Thats what we will be striking for a pay deal only,thats what terrys said from the start but they still have to tell the members there position on information gathered from RM thats just politics you have to inject a little fear from both sides or people dont think there is a threat.

If the business is deliberately trying to frighten its staff into accepting a lower pay offer should you as a union reinforce that fear by parroting their propaganda?

Don't you just become a mouthpiece for the company?

I would humbly suggest that a union would only do that if it also ultimately wanted the membership to accept a lower offer. If it was preparing the ground for spinning what may in fact be a disappointing result into what sounds like a deal of the century or even worse the only deal on the table.

Yeah but look at what Royal Mail originally wanted...

aye, its always the tried and tested response. 'yeah but look what they originally wanted. at least we got annualised hours dropped, we've kept our start time. we kept our paid breaks etc etc, so accept this tenner pay rise

[SpacePhoenix]

I can't see any industrial action stopping RM from axing the mainland flights, all they'd need to do is hand in the notice to quit the contracts with the companies that they rent the plane space from

[worktotime]

if you look back when rico and his cronies was trying to do , this mcaulay didnt want to give us or the cwu the steam off his piss , but all of sudden hes on his soap box again as he took dunwald job who by the way got paid off and i wonder why ? , so we need to stick together and protect what we have regardless how hard it is otherwise we are f****d .

[richietns]

There's something stoping them from axing planes Mr Walsh said they tried it before the four pillars agreement if it was that easy why haven't they just done it.

[Sir Henry]

if you look back when rico and his cronies was trying to do , this mcaulay didnt want to give us or the cwu the steam off his piss , but all of sudden hes on his soap box again as he took dunwald job who by the way got paid off and i wonder why ? , so we need to stick together and protect what we have regardless how hard it is otherwise we are f****d .

Didn't Dunwald take the rap for the almighty clusterfuck that was Xmas?

[Woody Guthrie]

There's something stoping them from axing planes Mr Walsh said they tried it before the four pillars agreement if it was that easy why haven't they just done it.

They didn't try it before, they threw it into the negotiating mix.
There's a lot of things they've thrown in over the years.
If you want 5 things in a negotiation you never ask for 5 things you ask for 15 things.

Monthly pay appears every time, neither side is particularly interested in monthly pay.

Royal Mail don't need an agreement to remove the mainland air network just like they didn't when they moved the bulk of the work off the trains and on to the roads and shut the TPO.That's a commercial decision.

[worktotime]

if you look back when rico and his cronies was trying to do , this mcaulay didnt want to give us or the cwu the steam off his piss , but all of sudden hes on his soap box again as he took dunwald job who by the way got paid off and i wonder why ? , so we need to stick together and protect what we have regardless how hard it is otherwise we are f****d .

Didn't Dunwald take the rap for the almighty clusterfuck that was Xmas?

yes he did but still walked away will a big pay off for failing .

[Martin Walsh]

It is quite bizarre that for sometime a number of posters have been critical of not revealing everything to the members and yet when I do , I get criticised for scare mongering.

Listen the CWU want and are willing to fight for a no strings pay deal. However at this moment in time Royal Mail are offering nothing on basic pay unless we agree to those changes. If we did it is worth 2%.

Once the change has been deployed everywhere it is worth 1.5% but not backdated to April 22.

So I think it is in all members interests to understand the contrast in the CWU’s position and Royal Mail’s proposal.

Why ? Well the Dispute Resolution Procedure works both ways and Royal Mail have suggested in the talks that they will activate the 4 week process on their proposals linked to their pay offer. The end result is after 4 weeks they can decide whether they take executive action ie introducing change without agreement.

So the stakes are high and that is the reason why I believe all members need to know what is at stake here and why the CWU wants a no strings pay deal.

I will keep posting the facts even if some don’t want others to hear them !