RMCtv : Ricky McAulay : Update on talks with CWU and Dispute Resolution Process

[2yearpostie]

Working the same hours over less days per week would be one way, decreasing the amount of time spent in the office is another.

If anything we are spending more time in the office as we have to sort all the things the mc didnt have time to do. IE tracked and non tracked coming together, stuff being walk sorted instead of sequenced etc.

[SpacePhoenix]

IE tracked and non tracked coming together

Much of that's probably down to where the outward MCs are sending so many yorks and sleeves to the inward MCs with Tracked and non-Tracked, small and large mixed together. Some will be at the end of the night where either Tracked or non-Tracked are running behind so some of the stuff gets put through the other section to get it out the door on time. A little will be the drivers condensing yorks and sleeves to get all the work on their lorries

stuff being walk sorted instead of sequenced etc.

Wave 1 or 2?

[2yearpostie]

IE tracked and non tracked coming together

Much of that's probably down to where the outward MCs are sending so many yorks and sleeves to the inward MCs with Tracked and non-Tracked, small and large mixed together. Some will be at the end of the night where either Tracked or non-Tracked are running behind so some of the stuff gets put through the other section to get it out the door on time. A little will be the drivers condensing yorks and sleeves to get all the work on their lorries

stuff being walk sorted instead of sequenced etc.

Wave 1 or 2?

both waves some days (mainly weds thurs.)

[Woody Guthrie]

Woody the words Royal Mail have put in writing is to advance their greener operation they would want to withdraw mainland air network and transfer it to rail and road. They also state that they would require later start times and longer delivery spans.

You can spin it all you like but that is from Royal Mail to the CWU in way of a pay offer with strings.

It's alright saying something Martin, it's another thing coming up with a feasible plan to make it work.

Removing the mainland air network is not something the CWU can stop.

This later starts and longer deliveries is a favourite go to place of yours but can you explain exactly what you mean by that, exactly what Royal Mail means by that or how it would be possible to move the core delivery network crashing into the LAT deliveries who rely on the same vans, how collection on delivery could be maintained if the delivery isn't finished by 4/5pm, the impact of running delivery into peak traffic, how you're suddenly going to accommodate our (mostly female) primary child carers if they're now going to still be out delivering after the school finishes, how health and safety would be addressed if we're walking the streets at night in the dark.

Removing the mainland air network is eventually inevitable but it will require a complete redesign and rebuild of the entire network from collection right through to delivery. It's a massive undertaking that would probably require changes in the USO to build the changes in properly.

You can jump every time Royal Mail says boo and pass on that fear to the members to achieve your own goals but the reality is it's not something you can introduce overnight.

[Pidleypoo]

Woody the words Royal Mail have put in writing is to advance their greener operation they would want to withdraw mainland air network and transfer it to rail and road. They also state that they would require later start times and longer delivery spans.

You can spin it all you like but that is from Royal Mail to the CWU in way of a pay offer with strings.

It's alright saying something Martin, it's another thing coming up with a feasible plan to make it work.

Removing the mainland air network is not something the CWU can stop.

This later starts and longer deliveries is a favourite go to place of yours but can you explain exactly what you mean by that, exactly what Royal Mail means by that or how it would be possible to move the core delivery network crashing into the LAT deliveries who rely on the same vans, how collection on delivery could be maintained if the delivery isn't finished by 4/5pm, the impact of running delivery into peak traffic, how you're suddenly going to accommodate our (mostly female) primary child carers if they're now going to still be out delivering after the school finishes, how health and safety would be addressed if we're walking the streets at night in the dark.

Removing the mainland air network is eventually inevitable but it will require a complete redesign and rebuild of the entire network from collection right through to delivery. It's a massive undertaking that would probably require changes in the USO to build the changes in properly.

You can jump every time Royal Mail says boo and pass on that fear to the members to achieve your own goals but the reality is it's not something you can introduce overnight.

Absolutely every single word of this

This is a company that can’t even get revisions correct in offices of less than 30 deliveries and people on these pages think they can completely change how the job has been done over night.

[toonshola]

Woody the words Royal Mail have put in writing is to advance their greener operation they would want to withdraw mainland air network and transfer it to rail and road. They also state that they would require later start times and longer delivery spans.

You can spin it all you like but that is from Royal Mail to the CWU in way of a pay offer with strings.

It's alright saying something Martin, it's another thing coming up with a feasible plan to make it work.

Removing the mainland air network is not something the CWU can stop.

This later starts and longer deliveries is a favourite go to place of yours but can you explain exactly what you mean by that, exactly what Royal Mail means by that or how it would be possible to move the core delivery network crashing into the LAT deliveries who rely on the same vans, how collection on delivery could be maintained if the delivery isn't finished by 4/5pm, the impact of running delivery into peak traffic, how you're suddenly going to accommodate our (mostly female) primary child carers if they're now going to still be out delivering after the school finishes, how health and safety would be addressed if we're walking the streets at night in the dark.

Removing the mainland air network is eventually inevitable but it will require a complete redesign and rebuild of the entire network from collection right through to delivery. It's a massive undertaking that would probably require changes in the USO to build the changes in properly.

You can jump every time Royal Mail says boo and pass on that fear to the members to achieve your own goals but the reality is it's not something you can introduce overnight.

Absolutely every single word of this

This is a company that can’t even get revisions correct in offices of less than 30 deliveries and people on these pages think they can completely change how the job has been done over night.

Oh there is no doubt they are incapable and it would be an absolute clusterf*ck, but don’t think for one minute that would stop them. If there is money to be saved for the shareholders it will be attempted. And when it all goes wrong it will be us who gets the blame for it failing.

[Clappedoutpostie]

Much of that's probably down to where the outward MCs are sending so many yorks and sleeves to the inward MCs with Tracked and non-Tracked, small and large mixed together. Some will be at the end of the night where either Tracked or non-Tracked are running behind so some of the stuff gets put through the other section to get it out the door on time. A little will be the drivers condensing yorks and sleeves to get all the work on their lorries

It doesn’t really matter who it’s down to. The stuff being presented from the MC’s to DO’s is a right mess now and yes I know it’s because budgets have been cut. Save on one hand cost a fortune on the other.

[SpacePhoenix]

Much of that's probably down to where the outward MCs are sending so many yorks and sleeves to the inward MCs with Tracked and non-Tracked, small and large mixed together. Some will be at the end of the night where either Tracked or non-Tracked are running behind so some of the stuff gets put through the other section to get it out the door on time. A little will be the drivers condensing yorks and sleeves to get all the work on their lorries

It doesn’t really matter who it’s down to. The stuff being presented from the MC’s to DO’s is a right mess now and yes I know it’s because budgets have been cut. Save on one hand cost a fortune on the other.

Not sure if logistics have had their runs changed. Seems to be recently that instead of having many lorries with fewer yorks on, we get less lorries with more yorks on so it's not so stead through the night, meaning we get a greater amount later on in a shift

[2yearpostie]

Much of that's probably down to where the outward MCs are sending so many yorks and sleeves to the inward MCs with Tracked and non-Tracked, small and large mixed together. Some will be at the end of the night where either Tracked or non-Tracked are running behind so some of the stuff gets put through the other section to get it out the door on time. A little will be the drivers condensing yorks and sleeves to get all the work on their lorries

It doesn’t really matter who it’s down to. The stuff being presented from the MC’s to DO’s is a right mess now and yes I know it’s because budgets have been cut. Save on one hand cost a fortune on the other.

Not sure if logistics have had their runs changed. Seems to be recently that instead of having many lorries with fewer yorks on, we get less lorries with more yorks on so it's not so stead through the night, meaning we get a greater amount later on in a shift

Yeah noticed we get 2 small trucks and one large one at ours now. The tracked and non tracked always comes in one york together now, the big stuff and specials in another, and mail comes in a 3rd york, but its mixed flats and stuff that could go thru a machine.

[SpacePhoenix]

how it would be possible to move the core delivery network crashing into the LAT deliveries who rely on the same vans,

Depending on how the timings play out, the LAT stuff would just go out with normal deliveries

how collection on delivery could be maintained if the delivery isn't finished by 4/5pm,

How many items get taken in on COD anyway? Final dispatches from outward MCs are I believe around 22:00

the impact of running delivery into peak traffic,

For walks not involving vans it won't make any difference. Unless the vans are always on the move, how can it make much difference when not between loops

how you're suddenly going to accommodate our (mostly female) primary child carers if they're now going to still be out delivering after the school finishes,

Not much RM can do about that, besides, how is it any different from the school holidays?

how health and safety would be addressed if we're walking the streets at night in the dark.

Deliveries used to be done in the dark years ago. What's different about the H&S aspect after dark?

would probably require changes in the USO to build the changes in properly.

Don't think the USO means much anymore anyway, if it did the staffing levels would be better in all offices

[cpg67]

When we walked the streets in the dark it got lighter as you delivered not darker ,as it would starting later. So h&s would be an issue to be considered

[yellowbelly]

how it would be possible to move the core delivery network crashing into the LAT deliveries who rely on the same vans,

Depending on how the timings play out, the LAT stuff would just go out with normal deliveries

how collection on delivery could be maintained if the delivery isn't finished by 4/5pm,

How many items get taken in on COD anyway? Final dispatches from outward MCs are I believe around 22:00

the impact of running delivery into peak traffic,

For walks not involving vans it won't make any difference. Unless the vans are always on the move, how can it make much difference when not between loops

how you're suddenly going to accommodate our (mostly female) primary child carers if they're now going to still be out delivering after the school finishes,

Not much RM can do about that, besides, how is it any different from the school holidays?

how health and safety would be addressed if we're walking the streets at night in the dark.

Deliveries used to be done in the dark years ago. What's different about the H&S aspect after dark?

would probably require changes in the USO to build the changes in properly.

Don't think the USO means much anymore anyway, if it did the staffing levels would be better in all offices

1. Sitting in a rush hour jam waiting to get to your next loop will make a difference obviously! Van sat using
fuel doing nothing, postie(s) getting paid for doing nothing. Highly inefficient and later finishes, see next two points.

2. How is it different from school holidays? Well again it should be obvious - school holidays are notified at least a year
in advance and you can plan to cover that through shared responsibilities, grand parents, friends. Covering
childcare after school almost every single school day throughout the year would be very difficult and expensive.

3. What's different about the H&S aspect after dark? Well obviously the working environment has changed
since 'years ago'. We're not sending kids up chimneys any more either.

There is a world outside the MC too........

[daveyeff]

theres no doubt they've got us all talking and arguing amongst ourselves thats for sure. cut out all the crap CWU. F*** them. no deals. straight no strings payrise or strike.

[Pidleypoo]

Woody the words Royal Mail have put in writing is to advance their greener operation they would want to withdraw mainland air network and transfer it to rail and road. They also state that they would require later start times and longer delivery spans.

You can spin it all you like but that is from Royal Mail to the CWU in way of a pay offer with strings.

It's alright saying something Martin, it's another thing coming up with a feasible plan to make it work.

Removing the mainland air network is not something the CWU can stop.

This later starts and longer deliveries is a favourite go to place of yours but can you explain exactly what you mean by that, exactly what Royal Mail means by that or how it would be possible to move the core delivery network crashing into the LAT deliveries who rely on the same vans, how collection on delivery could be maintained if the delivery isn't finished by 4/5pm, the impact of running delivery into peak traffic, how you're suddenly going to accommodate our (mostly female) primary child carers if they're now going to still be out delivering after the school finishes, how health and safety would be addressed if we're walking the streets at night in the dark.

Removing the mainland air network is eventually inevitable but it will require a complete redesign and rebuild of the entire network from collection right through to delivery. It's a massive undertaking that would probably require changes in the USO to build the changes in properly.

You can jump every time Royal Mail says boo and pass on that fear to the members to achieve your own goals but the reality is it's not something you can introduce overnight.

Absolutely every single word of this

This is a company that can’t even get revisions correct in offices of less than 30 deliveries and people on these pages think they can completely change how the job has been done over night.

Oh there is no doubt they are incapable and it would be an absolute clusterf*ck, but don’t think for one minute that would stop them. If there is money to be saved for the shareholders it will be attempted. And when it all goes wrong it will be us who gets the blame for it failing.

My point is that if they’ve learned anything from these latest revisions that must have cost them lots of money if my office is anything to go by , then I can’t see it happening.

Also to answer the later starts nonsense, there’ll be lots of people leaving the job if anything like 9-5 or 10-6 comes in and I’ll be the first one.

Absolutely zero work life balance in deliveries for those types of hours.

[SpacePhoenix]

1. Sitting in a rush hour jam waiting to get to your next loop will make a difference obviously! Van sat using
fuel doing nothing, postie(s) getting paid for doing nothing. Highly inefficient and later finishes, see next two points.

Only relevant in places where some of the walk covers main roads, even then there'll be places where back roads running parallel to the main roads can be used

2. How is it different from school holidays? Well again it should be obvious - school holidays are notified at least a year
in advance and you can plan to cover that through shared responsibilities, grand parents, friends. Covering
childcare after school almost every single school day throughout the year would be very difficult and expensive.

No different than for someone who works in an office environment doing 9-5

3. What's different about the H&S aspect after dark? Well obviously the working environment has changed
since 'years ago'. We're not sending kids up chimneys any more either.

Nothings changed about working after dark