AAARGH! Why are people are voting NO!
FVoting YES is not a straight up vote for industrial action NOW - it is merely saying YES I AM PREPARED TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER taking part in strike action in the future if RM does not do the RIGHT THING and come back to the negotiating table.As I previously mentioned in a post - when RM started negotiations with the CWU inflation running at 4.8%, offer of 2.5% represents a PAY CUT of 2.3%!!!!
The percentage pay offer is VERY important however the business plan is MUCH more costly to me and you and ALL employees affected by this dispute.
I will be going to bed tonight very down realising that some people are voting NO. If you have not voted yet then please do - I really cannot see any way forward for the future of our industry and more importantly OUR JOBS than to secure a positive and substantial YES vote.
Please think of the word UNION and what it actually MEANS.
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I am tired and losing patience...
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Codebreaker
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I am tired and losing patience...
It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
Robert F. Kennedy (1925 - 1968), South Africa, 1966
Robert F. Kennedy (1925 - 1968), South Africa, 1966
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Bloke7
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From what I've heard they're voting no because they don't understand how it will affect them in the future. Those in mail centres should be worried that they will be pushed from pillar to post, ie covering uncovered deliveries in the future. So if they can't see that coming, then I hope they're ready to walk the streets in ANY office the management decide they want covering.
Vote YES to secure a better future.
Vote NO because you think democracy doesn't work and/or you want conditions to get worse than they are now.
Vote YES to secure a better future.
Vote NO because you think democracy doesn't work and/or you want conditions to get worse than they are now.
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evilc
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Re: I am tired and losing patience...
What u have2 remember codebreaker is that a lot of mdec staff, r not used 2 royalmail and think managers r their friends, which they r quite clearly not.Codebreaker wrote:AAARGH! Why are people are voting NO!
FVoting YES is not a straight up vote for industrial action NOW - it is merely saying YES I AM PREPARED TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER taking part in strike action in the future if RM does not do the RIGHT THING and come back to the negotiating table.As I previously mentioned in a post - when RM started negotiations with the CWU inflation running at 4.8%, offer of 2.5% represents a PAY CUT of 2.3%!!!!
The percentage pay offer is VERY important however the business plan is MUCH more costly to me and you and ALL employees affected by this dispute.
I will be going to bed tonight very down realising that some people are voting NO. If you have not voted yet then please do - I really cannot see any way forward for the future of our industry and more importantly OUR JOBS than to secure a positive and substantial YES vote.
Please think of the word UNION and what it actually MEANS.
" if the kids are united we will never be divided "
Jimmy pursey 1979
Jimmy pursey 1979
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South East Postie
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Codebreaker
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Good points
evilc and South East Postie - you both make good points.
evilc - we may know managers at mdec as overall being very negative - agrred MDEC is out on a limb if you like - managed as a pseudoindependent unit. When I talked about people voying NO it was more than just MDEC I here that people are voting NO in Mail Centres which is more the cause of my frustration.
South East Postie - I fully agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is a democratic process.
However, I am worried that the propaganda, spin and underlying threats that RM have made to all our people have had the desired effect for Royal Mail. Heads up Leighton and Crozier are not your friends - hey if their Managers Union AMICUS is worried about RM's business plan then WHY SHOULDNT WE ALL BE??
ONE VOTE ONE CHOICE ONE CHANCE
evilc - we may know managers at mdec as overall being very negative - agrred MDEC is out on a limb if you like - managed as a pseudoindependent unit. When I talked about people voying NO it was more than just MDEC I here that people are voting NO in Mail Centres which is more the cause of my frustration.
South East Postie - I fully agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is a democratic process.
However, I am worried that the propaganda, spin and underlying threats that RM have made to all our people have had the desired effect for Royal Mail. Heads up Leighton and Crozier are not your friends - hey if their Managers Union AMICUS is worried about RM's business plan then WHY SHOULDNT WE ALL BE??
ONE VOTE ONE CHOICE ONE CHANCE
It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
Robert F. Kennedy (1925 - 1968), South Africa, 1966
Robert F. Kennedy (1925 - 1968), South Africa, 1966
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South East Postie
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the vote on here suggests 55 people have voted yes, 4 no and 2 no voters. that is a massive majority, although not certain, is a good indication of how the ballot will go in my opinion. the higher % the better. i also think the reason for some no voters are people that arent involved in front line delivery as i am, they perhaps do not see the woeful aspects of the job we see day in day out.
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Homer
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Thats right everybody is entitled to their opinion, but just remember that the people with the opinion that we shouldnt vote for industrial action will be making sure that royal mail win and that everybodys job will be under threat, if people are worried about not having enough money to pay their bills if we go on strike, then try paying them if you have not got a job, dont ever think that your job is safe.
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Codebreaker
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lovejoy
lovejoy good message.
I know that the area processing rep (Chris Webb) has always done his best for the Plymouth MDEC members - the idea of slapping mega senior management of RM in the face is a good one for both the future of RM but MORE IMPORTANTLY for the future of ALL OF OUR JOBS. The CWU strive for the best for all employees of RM - I know this is why the ballot has come about.
Personally I have had reports and 'feelings' from RM Management around what the outcome is predicted to be. Well, to be honest, I am not convinced that RM Managers who have been told to present a certain stance actually believe in it. In essence I guess what I feel is that RM local managers are actually thinking HEY this is not good. Justified as AMICUS (Now the trade union of RM Managers) actually seem to agree with the CWU!!
MY PERSONAL BELIEF:
I do not believe that the Government (effectively OWNERS of RM) will let the Board of Royal Mail allow a strike in the UK to happen.
I believe that the Government will intervene (even) at the 11th hour as it would be a commercial suicide for a national strike to take place within RM. The Government IS the STAKEHOLDER, in effect, the OWNER of Royal Mail!!!!
I know that the area processing rep (Chris Webb) has always done his best for the Plymouth MDEC members - the idea of slapping mega senior management of RM in the face is a good one for both the future of RM but MORE IMPORTANTLY for the future of ALL OF OUR JOBS. The CWU strive for the best for all employees of RM - I know this is why the ballot has come about.
Personally I have had reports and 'feelings' from RM Management around what the outcome is predicted to be. Well, to be honest, I am not convinced that RM Managers who have been told to present a certain stance actually believe in it. In essence I guess what I feel is that RM local managers are actually thinking HEY this is not good. Justified as AMICUS (Now the trade union of RM Managers) actually seem to agree with the CWU!!
MY PERSONAL BELIEF:
I do not believe that the Government (effectively OWNERS of RM) will let the Board of Royal Mail allow a strike in the UK to happen.
I believe that the Government will intervene (even) at the 11th hour as it would be a commercial suicide for a national strike to take place within RM. The Government IS the STAKEHOLDER, in effect, the OWNER of Royal Mail!!!!
It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring, those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance.
Robert F. Kennedy (1925 - 1968), South Africa, 1966
Robert F. Kennedy (1925 - 1968), South Africa, 1966
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