Geo-Route walking speed?

[Ad_bee]

My fag-packet analysis of the difference between 'what the computer says' (management) and the reality (relaxed speed, speed = distance ÷ time) plus PDA stated speed is that an ordinary average would be 3 MPH on the flat and straight reduced to less than 2 MPH with letter delivery stops and starts and reduced to minus-MPH with parcels and packets.

Basically the speed of a meandering but nippy toddler.

PDA actuals plus Georoute ought to (= will) corroborate that and any management tactic that seeks more than tht is full of s**t.

[hans solo]

Have fun with this. This is a seriously old document (12 years maybe more) so I don't know if this is still valid.

Travel speeds (kph) (to get mph multiply by 0.62)

Walk - flat 6.44
- undulating 5,5
-steep 4.74

Walk between delivery points 5.95

Wheel lightweight trolley - flat 6.11
- undulating 5.72
- steep 5.76
Move lwt between delivery points - 5.59

Wheel HCT - flat 5.98
- undulating 4.9
- steep 5.19 (this is what the document says but common sense suggests they are the wrong way round)
Move HCT between delivery points 5.53

Replenish pouch at box 55 seconds
Replenish pouch at safe drop 61 seconds.

that might be achievable if you didnt have to stop and chap doors an attendance call can take 2 min ,packet at door 739 etc how many packets now say 40 (v light day) x 2 =80 mins deliveries are f****d be working to time pdas will show your workload to bail you out not penalise

[hans solo]

as i said i used strava and walk speed listed at 1.8mph this included stops for whatever reason taking delivery much longer
they dont recognise this as it presents the truth

[clashcityrocker]

that might be achievable if you didn't have to stop and chap doors

There are a whole load of other timings for packets with signature or parcel drop to reception.
I only listed the walking speeds.

[scoobydo79]

and how did they plan walks before computers came into the equation?

A manager went round the delivery with You with a stop watch ,biro and notepad.

[Acca Dacca]

and how did they plan walks before computers came into the equation?

A manager went round the delivery with You with a stop watch ,biro and notepad.

And now ye can never get them to do that when ye ask them to!

[hans solo]

and how did they plan walks before computers came into the equation?

A manager went round the delivery with You with a stop watch ,biro and notepad.

And now ye can never get them to do that when ye ask them to!

if you cant get round in time cut off repeatedly then ask to get walk tested
if they dont comply keep cutting off until it reaches dispute stage
just make sure one isnt at it
what im doing

[Grumpyoldmailman]

and how did they plan walks before computers came into the equation?

A manager went round the delivery with You with a stop watch ,biro and notepad.

And now ye can never get them to do that when ye ask them to!

if you cant get round in time cut off repeatedly then ask to get walk tested
if they dont comply keep cutting off until it reaches dispute stage
just make sure one isnt at it
what im doing

You just get taken off the duty and somebody who is prepared to run/come in early or both gets put on it.

[enskied]

Makes me laff. We've had had them all in since the PDA's were intoduced. Area managers, Planners the lot.
"No,no,no. we can't tell how fast a person is walking."

When I went to Skool there was a simple mathematical equation for this.
Speed=Distance divided by time.

They know. They know the lazy fks and the runners.

[daveyeff]

''planners''... they used to be called ''time and motion'' blokes years ago. that lot were right bunch of ''jeremy hunt's''

[Chelseablue]

2 or 3 guys struggling now after years of pounding streets athritus etc at the mo managing the duty theyv bin on 12 to 15 yrs . Yet planners (with the map layout ) have totally destroyed the dutys. Job looks set up for young lads/ ladies now n runners.

[POSTMAN]

From BT2010...

It's from a thread back in the day, things might of changed by now.

There are various walking speeds depending on what equipment you are using and what terrain you are on

For flat walking 5.95km 3.69mph( it used to be 6.44 )4mph

With an HCT 5.53 3.43mph

With a light weight trolley 5.59 3.47mph

Moving a cycle between delivery ponts 5.95 3.69mph

For HCT undulating 4.90 3.04mph
For HCT steep 5.19 3.22mph

Cycle 13.24 8.22mph

light weight trolley undualting 5.72 3.55mph
Light weight trolley steep 5.76 3.57mph

There will be some live testing taken on some of these but most of the speeds have been reduced and are now in geo route 2008 version.

[DGH]

3 mph is probably a sustainable brisk walking pace when reasonably unencumbered. Very few people will sustain 4 mph for any period of time, even on flat pavement.

using a LWT or carrying a light bag will probably mean 3 mph becomes fairly challenging to sustain for >4 hours, and using a HCT probably 2.5 mph is actually reasonable.

Of course stopping to actually deliver mail will slow this down even further.

So in my view the quoted times above were ludicrously optimistic (and I bet nobody who dreamt them up or agreed them had actually tried to sustain them over full delivery spans for a 5 day week).

[Woody Guthrie]

https://spotterup.com/the-soldiers-ideal-speed/

The difference between walking and marching is speed. Marching is also called “military step” and differs somewhat depending on the nation or sometimes the unit. The US military uses a military step called “quick time,” with an average 30″ step, the cadence is 120SPM, resulting in a speed of 3.4mph or 1.5m/s or 5.5kph. This makes it approximately 2 minutes per mile faster than the average human walking speed.

Between quick time and the maximum human walking speed is the forced march speed of 4mph, also expressed as 1.8m/s, 6.4kph and 15min/mile. This is often referred to as “the Ranger standard” though this is not exactly true. This speed is achieved by marching at 140spm with a 30-inch step.

At this point, we need to examine the limits of walking speed. At a certain speed, the neuromuscular pattern known as a gait pattern has to change to maintain a specific speed. Race walkers have developed a gait pattern that is technically walking that allows them to attain jogging and running speeds while technically walking. However, this gait pattern is highly specialized and is only applicable to the sport of race walking. It is unsuitable for any other purpose. In the military or even the average person’s life, there comes a point when the walking gait must be abandoned for jogging and jogging must be abandoned for running. For the average human being, this breaking point is 2m/s, which is also 4.47mph, 7.19kph, and 13:25min/mile. This speed is reached with a cadence of 160spm with a 30″ step length.

[Dexydog]

Walking speed my arse.