Structural vs table top revisions

[citypostie]

Thanks again, getting mixed messages in regards Geo Route and use of.
PDA OA, with seen documentation for the DOM, it is their responsibility to review all walks and to implement improvements to those regularly going over and source more work for those regularly going under hours. As submitted on other posts this is with the minimum of disturbance.

You cant just add more onto rounds because someones quick and take stuff off because someone might be slow! Hows that a fair and equal workload that the union bang on about?
The rounds should be changed so they are as equal as possible. It might not be perfect but a computer program in this case georoute doesn't have any vested interest or care how fast or slow someone works so is the best way to do revisions

[Dorset Plodder]

A question I would like to know the answer to also. Offices are currently being run on overtime, even without covid reasons.
Any member of staff that have left ours in the past 5-6 years has caused no increase in contracted hours for the rest. Plenty of full time staff have left, not one part time member given a FT contract.
Planning a revision on 'Joe likes a bit of overtime' simply shouldn't be happening in my view.

Some Table Top Revisions can be adjusted for Units where OPGs "want" a lot of OT. It was a question we were asked, "Will this office want lots of Over Time potential"? I tend to believe that it's more likely down to bad management

Your Revision Team should be checking your Duty Delivery Structure (DDS) to make sure all the Duties & Contract Hours match up. You might well find you've got PTers Delivering FT Duties, and therefore need to be paid lots of OT to make it work. There might be opportunities to make up PTers to FT. We live in Confusing Times my Friend.

[Cucumber]

A question I would like to know the answer to also. Offices are currently being run on overtime, even without covid reasons.
Any member of staff that have left ours in the past 5-6 years has caused no increase in contracted hours for the rest. Plenty of full time staff have left, not one part time member given a FT contract.
Planning a revision on 'Joe likes a bit of overtime' simply shouldn't be happening in my view.

Some Table Top Revisions can be adjusted for Units where OPGs "want" a lot of OT. It was a question we were asked, "Will this office want lots of Over Time potential"? I tend to believe that it's more likely down to bad management

Your Revision Team should be checking your Duty Delivery Structure (DDS) to make sure all the Duties & Contract Hours match up. You might well find you've got PTers Delivering FT Duties, and therefore need to be paid lots of OT to make it work. There might be opportunities to make up PTers to FT. We live in Confusing Times my Friend.

That's my point. If there is a choice between overtime and securing full time employment then there is no debate. Especially as the overtime will be offered to everyone thus widening the earnings gap in many offices. Also, what happens when an office heavily relies on overtime and several of those that do it are all off on holiday/sick leave etc. It's no way to plan a revision as I say.

[SpacePhoenix]

A question I would like to know the answer to also. Offices are currently being run on overtime, even without covid reasons.
Any member of staff that have left ours in the past 5-6 years has caused no increase in contracted hours for the rest. Plenty of full time staff have left, not one part time member given a FT contract.
Planning a revision on 'Joe likes a bit of overtime' simply shouldn't be happening in my view.

Some Table Top Revisions can be adjusted for Units where OPGs "want" a lot of OT. It was a question we were asked, "Will this office want lots of Over Time potential"? I tend to believe that it's more likely down to bad management

Your Revision Team should be checking your Duty Delivery Structure (DDS) to make sure all the Duties & Contract Hours match up. You might well find you've got PTers Delivering FT Duties, and therefore need to be paid lots of OT to make it work. There might be opportunities to make up PTers to FT. We live in Confusing Times my Friend.

That's my point. If there is a choice between overtime and securing full time employment then there is no debate. Especially as the overtime will be offered to everyone thus widening the earnings gap in many offices. Also, what happens when an office heavily relies on overtime and several of those that do it are all off on holiday/sick leave etc. It's no way to plan a revision as I say.

We rely on agency/Angard/casuals a lot. It's not unusual for a given shift to have the normal/regular RM staff outnumbered by agency/Angard/casuals

[Dorset Plodder]

That's my point. If there is a choice between overtime and securing full time employment then there is no debate. Especially as the overtime will be offered to everyone thus widening the earnings gap in many offices. Also, what happens when an office heavily relies on overtime and several of those that do it are all off on holiday/sick leave etc. It's no way to plan a revision as I say.

I agree with your point. A unit should be able to work without massive ammounts of OT. I suppose RM like it that way because if mail drops off they're not paying a lot of FT Posties to knock off early (I know that's a very rare occassion now).

We've been in that situation where some Overtime Bandits leave and it takes the DOM by surprise, because suddenly the unit isn't working as it did. BIG holes in deliveries & collections. You reap what you sow.

[andyman606]

It is cheaper to pay overtime than employ a new postperson as the loss in hourly rate for overtime means that rest day working for 7 hours royal mail only pays 5 and a half hours due to the 25% cut in payrate. Don't remember this been brought up anywhere....maybe when people do overtime the hourly rate shouldn't go down is this matter never going to be addressed or the fact that instead of creating jobs this method is been used to force part time staff to do there bidding to make the hours up or holes in the system are been plugged by overtime kings rather than jobs.
Our gaffe would fall to pieces if no one wanted to overtime as we have 7-10 vacancies not filled been covered by the overtime gravy train.
They can stick Sunday working up there ass as well.....without better incentives. Enjoy your bank holiday people's away from the ball & chain....

[Dorset Plodder]

It is cheaper to pay overtime than employ a new postperson as the loss in hourly rate for overtime means that rest day working for 7 hours royal mail only pays 5 and a half hours due to the 25% cut in payrate.

I take it you're talking about the way OT is paid at a lower rate after the first 10 hours? I NEVER do that much overtime nowadays but remember the problem 20 odd years ago. I was told then it had been pushed for by the CWU to encourage Posties to stop working excessive OT (making that extra OT unattractive) and leaving an opportunity for others to get some. "Overtime Bandits" take note

If you're asked to work your day off, and it takes you over that 1st Ten Hours OT, you can always ask your DOM to pay it as SA. That's what I did years ago and they were happy to pay it .... or they didn't get it covered. Nowadays with shrinking budgets I don't know if they'd have the same attitude ... try it.

[Cucumber]

Martin, is there going to be a chance for those at the sharp end to give their feedback about how their offices revision has gone? I think we are well passed the stage of 'people not liking change', or words to that effect that TP used in one of the videos.
Thanks.

[woofwoof]

It's a crock of s**t he won't answer

[toonshola]

All the union top brass have done a runner now this agreement has been exposed as a complete stitch up as many of us expected. Cowards every single one of them.

[Martin Walsh]

It is always important to understand the scale of change which has been introduced during a pandemic, most without issues.

37 Mail Centre realignments
Network Revision
PAD revisions
Revenue protection revisions
RDC realignments
PAD revisions
Most collections revisions.

All received the shorter working week.

Now on Delivery out of the 886 delivery offices who were tasked with performing a table top revisions 850 have either introduced them or or scheduled before the end of September. A lot of these have seen lots of part timers having an increase in contract. Approximately 42% of these are hitting their WIPWH targets.

On Structural revisions out of the 400 who were scheduled to undertake a structural revision as of last week Only 69 had deployed.

Some are scheduled to be deployed this week.

The scheduled revisions have been challenging as for most offices it is the first time they had a structural revision since BT2010.

The mix of mail has changed in that time and the introduction of the economy mail product and dedicated parcels does impact on call rates.

Some structural revisions have come in ok. Some have not and this has been influenced by the recruitment issues , sickness levels and issues with sequencing.

In addition it is fair to say that the scale of change from the structural revisions has been massive. In some cases changing all the sorting and all the walks when increasing or decreasing walks by 3 or 4.

All of these revisions are subject to a joint PIR which should identify and resolve where the problems are.

[toonshola]

“Some structural revisions have come in ok. Some have not and this has been influenced by the recruitment issues , sickness levels and issues with sequencing”

That is absolute ignorance or just plain lies. They have not gone ok because all the walks are massive and impossible to complete in the allocated time. Some walks in our office are having 300 calls added onto a delivery that barely completes on time as it is, and I’ve heard very similar things from other offices. The union are living in fantasy land, yourself Dave and Terry want to get yourself down to a delivery office along with your new best mate Mr Thompson and demonstrate for us how these delivery’s can be done on time.

[korky]

some cwu reps are a complete joke of an outfit
this week RM's own plans was to reduce my duty by around 30mins, great my oppo & i thought, but rep said it's still too big according to the figures and needs even more taken off and told to reject it,
then the entire office plans were ripped up and cwu were taking hold of our revision using current staff input,
next day under cwu plans only 20mins were now to be taken off having been told previously 30mins wasn't enough by the same bloke!
then he quotes our pda actuals at me!
ffs who's side are they on?

[aiden01]

It is always important to understand the scale of change which has been introduced during a pandemic, most without issues.

37 Mail Centre realignments
Network Revision
PAD revisions
Revenue protection revisions
RDC realignments
PAD revisions
Most collections revisions.

All received the shorter working week.

Now on Delivery out of the 886 delivery offices who were tasked with performing a table top revisions 850 have either introduced them or or scheduled before the end of September. A lot of these have seen lots of part timers having an increase in contract. Approximately 42% of these are hitting their WIPWH targets.

On Structural revisions out of the 400 who were scheduled to undertake a structural revision as of last week Only 69 had deployed.

Some are scheduled to be deployed this week.

The scheduled revisions have been challenging as for most offices it is the first time they had a structural revision since BT2010.

The mix of mail has changed in that time and the introduction of the economy mail product and dedicated parcels does impact on call rates.

Some structural revisions have come in ok. Some have not and this has been influenced by the recruitment issues , sickness levels and issues with sequencing.

In addition it is fair to say that the scale of change from the structural revisions has been massive. In some cases changing all the sorting and all the walks when increasing or decreasing walks by 3 or 4.

All of these revisions are subject to a joint PIR which should identify and resolve where the problems are.

Good to see you back martin but ffs just admit that rm is a shambles. and the cwu are lost in how to fix it. Our realignment was meant to do away with casuals/ agency now we have more than ever.

[Cucumber]

If our rep has seemingly agreed to every stage of our structural revision, then why are there so many issues with it? It seems that there is a pressure to get these revisions done by October and they have ran out of time so they have been pushed through regardless, ready or not. For instance, we are not the only office in our area that was promised to have vacancies filled and increased contracted hours for PT staff - all we are getting now is 'we will look into it'. Yet a few months ago we were told these things were sacrosanct and non negotiable.
We had nobody off sick the other week, a normal amount of people on holiday, but when a few didn't work their day off the office fell apart. 2-3-4 days mail in much of the offices frames.