Structural revision

[Manboat]

Martin, can you clear this up for me once and for all as to be honest this is the main change I’m concerned about. I’m not very knowledgeable about what mail is what other than first and second class. Is everything else downstream access mail and is this what will become economy/mail mark or whatever and is this what will be what’s kept back for upto 4 days with this new product. If so On a daily basis we will have next to nothing to deliver as first class mail is very low. Coupled with 15% less parcels it will take hours off each delivery, am I missing something, cheers.

[toonshola]

It is always worth looking at the facts, the vast majority of Scheduled attendance hours are against rest day working.

Most of which have been agreed at the start of the revision and resign. Some members financially need more than what the average wage brings in. The pound in the pocket is not representative to Area or individuals. Remember the SFMB agreement which introduced part timers into Royal Mail also introduced scheduled attendance overtime.

Some members need extra earnings to make ends meet , they should not be made guilt for that !

Equally the new WIPWH productivity measure counts all the work hours and which includes any hours a part timer is working above contracted hours , and providing when you have done you productivity improvement those hours are still there than increasing a part timers contracted hours will be far easier!


If full timers want to work over their 38 hours for more money that’s fine, but in my opinion this should only be allowed once all the available hours are given to part timers permanently first. I’ve been stuck part time for 11 years and there are at least 10 full timers in my office working around 65 hours per week. This can’t be right surely?
And as for any agreement the union has reached to help get part timers made up to full time, well it’s just not worth the paper it’s written on. With respect Martin yourself Terry and Dave needed to realise the plight of the part timers in this new agreement and you have failed us massively, again. I’ve read it in full a few times and I can’t see anything in there that gives me hope for the future. Don’t be surprised if there area lot of part time members leaving the union soon, myself and a lot of others I’ve spoke to are fed up to the back teeth of it all.

[Woody Guthrie]

It is always worth looking at the facts, the vast majority of Scheduled attendance hours are against rest day working.

I think you'll find that isn't true outside your area Martin.
Your guys do the 4 day week thing and work day 5 on SA.
A nice little earner but the vast majority of SA in the offices I know is early IPS, Collections and locker work. None of our rest days are covered by SA. We have rest day cover for that.

Some members need extra earnings to make ends meet

More than part-time staff?
Really?

[Martin Walsh]

Woody great knock about stuff but as someone who knows about WIPWH your taking rubbish.

Come back to me once you have seen your commercial forecast traffic and hours and than what an office’s productivity improvement is and whether that is a fair improvement. I have seen it , tote just wishing in the wind ! Great criticism but your simply not comparing like for like.

[Cucumber]

Are there really offices that can get to their 38 hours by doing 4 days per week?

[Martin Walsh]

Woody great knock about stuff but as someone who knows about WIPWH your taking rubbish.

Come back to me once you have seen your commercial forecast traffic and hours and than what an office’s productivity improvement is and whether that is a fair improvement. I have seen it , your just wishing in the wind ! Great criticism but your simply not comparing like for like.

[Woody Guthrie]

What are you on about Martin?
I don't need to see the commercial whatnots or office productivity wishlist to know what the offices in my area spend their SA on.
I just kind of...ask.

[clashcityrocker]

Some members need extra earnings to make ends meet

Some members are having to claim in work benefits to barely make ends meet.
What has the union got to say to them? Anything at all?

There is a cost to everything and the people paying the price for those working well in excess of their contracted hours, are those people who are least able to bear the cost:
The part timers who can't get an increase in their contracted hours and the unemployed who can't get a job at all.
Is that the trade union way?

In one of Dave Wad's homilies on the future role of the postperson he mentions delivering for food banks.
How ironic would it be for someone to have to be using a food bank because the RM driver is working 65 hours a week and thus preventing someone from getting a foot on the bottom rung of the employment ladder?
Is that the trade union way?

A lot of you are too young to remember the Great Depression but as I am in a generous mood I will tell you this for free - mass unemployment will not do anything for your job security.

Those progressive groups that favour a reduction in the working week do so because they recognise the dangers posed by automation and AI to the fabric of society.
Only in RM does anyone think the point of a 4 day week is to provide the opportunity to work 3 days on overtime.

[Frankie15]

A few of us have gone to our unit rep and asked "What's the plans and how are the revisions going to be implemented?" Not only our unit rep but also regional reps who are in our building. The reply from all was quite astonishing, "We haven't a clue!!!!!!!" Now if regional reps haven't a clue on what's going on, it surely is seriously daunting on what the future holds!!!!

[POSTMAN]

Are there really offices that can get to their 38 hours by doing 4 days per week?

Yes, quite a few in London.

[Cucumber]

Are there really offices that can get to their 38 hours by doing 4 days per week?

Yes, quite a few in London.

Any reason why just London? Surely other DO's would have the staffing levels (or lack of them) to allow for this?
If offices are spending their entire SA 'budget' on such things (are offices limited to how much SA they can use??) then how do they cover regular overtime tasks like collections or callers office etc? Just regular ad hoc style OT?

[Ozzvaldo]

We don't have any SA whatsoever in my office....bugger all. The unit has 65 or so duties. Every single collection was built into hybrid duties in our last revision in 2010, and early IPS is covered on OT.

[Dorset Plodder]

It is always worth looking at the facts, the vast majority of Scheduled attendance hours are against rest day working.

I'd agree with Woody on this point; We have Day Off Cover and SA is mainly used for Collections, I don't even believe they get it for Early IPS.

Some members need extra earnings to make ends meet , they should not be made guilt for that !

I wasn't talking about OPGs that were on Crappy PT contracts (I've been there and I know how hard it is to make ends meet). It's the OPGs that already have a FT contract yet still feel the need to be working 20 plus hours a week on Overtime. IMO it's Greed NOT Necessity.

Equally the new WIPWH productivity measure counts all the work hours and which includes any hours a part timer is working above contracted hours , and providing when you have done you productivity improvement those hours are still there than increasing a part timers contracted hours will be far easier!

I hope this helps to address the unfair distribution of WORK in the Delivery Offices. My view would be to pay a decent OT rate (say Time and a Half). I know that's not going to happen. If it did I'm sure we would soon see a change in the Business's attitude to the ammount of OT the majority of Posties work, and a reduction in the excessive ammounts some work to the detriment of some PTers.

[wallan]

It is always worth looking at the facts, the vast majority of Scheduled attendance hours are against rest day working.

I think you'll find that isn't true outside your area Martin.
Your guys do the 4 day week thing and work day 5 on SA.
A nice little earner but the vast majority of SA in the offices I know is early IPS, Collections and locker work. None of our rest days are covered by SA. We have rest day cover for that.

Some members need extra earnings to make ends meet

More than part-time staff?
Really?

Day 5 is covered by SA , How is the 6th Day Covered

[POSTMAN]

Are there really offices that can get to their 38 hours by doing 4 days per week?

Yes, quite a few in London.

Any reason why just London? Surely other DO's would have the staffing levels (or lack of them) to allow for this?
If offices are spending their entire SA 'budget' on such things (are offices limited to how much SA they can use??) then how do they cover regular overtime tasks like collections or callers office etc? Just regular ad hoc style OT?

We have collection drivers in London, there are a few 4 dayers around the country as well.
Different London offices will have different bits and bobs, my place for instance has callers office duties and cover staff/reserves rest day cover for it and collections as I said are done by the collection hubs.