Structural revision

[DGH]

Attendance patterns can be anything your office agrees (and that con include multiple patterns in a single office if practical).

[Cucumber]

Attendance patterns can be anything your office agrees (and that con include multiple patterns in a single office if practical).

Anything your office agrees from a list of options - but the options aren't publicly known

[toonshola]

Attendance patterns can be anything your office agrees (and that con include multiple patterns in a single office if practical).

Anything your office agrees from a list of options - but the options aren't publicly known

A good indication of what an office will usually adopt is to think 2 things.
1. Which option directly screws the part timers
2. Which option massively benefits the rep and his mates.

Absolutely dreading our revision and what it will be.

[Woody Guthrie]

Attendance patterns can be anything your office agrees (and that con include multiple patterns in a single office if practical).

Apart from the fact that...
Your mail arrival times have to be suitable.
You also have to protect earning opportunities for full and part-time staff.
You also have to protect full-time headcount.
You have to efficiently fill indoor and outdoor time.
The job has to be physically sustainable.
And of course after all that you must improve productivity.

Other than that you can choose anything you like.

[POSTMAN]

You also have to protect earning opportunities for full and part-time staff.
You also have to protect full-time headcount.

Why and why?

[Woody Guthrie]

You also have to protect earning opportunities for full and part-time staff.
You also have to protect full-time headcount.

Why and why?

The first is because you have to get it past the members.
The second is because you have to get it past the branch.
But you know all that you've been here before.

[clashcityrocker]

Here's a suggestion:
Why don't we make maximizing employment the guiding principle of our revisions?
With hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs shouldn't we as trade unionists be doing everything we can to find them employment and lift them out of poverty?
With our children's education having been disrupted and their future employment prospects damaged, don't we owe it to that generation to forget our "earning opportunities" and put employment at the heart of everything we do?
Like a trade union without a moral vacuum at its heart?

Anything else is a betrayal of our historical duty as a trade union and a betrayal of the working class.

[Schiff]

Here's a suggestion:
Why don't we make maximizing employment the guiding principle of our revisions?
With hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs shouldn't we as trade unionists be doing everything we can to find them employment and lift them out of poverty?
With our children's education having been disrupted and their future employment prospects damaged, don't we owe it to that generation to forget our "earning opportunities" and put employment at the heart of everything we do?
Like a trade union without a moral vacuum at its heart?

Anything else is a betrayal of our historical duty as a trade union and a betrayal of the working class.

The union's priority should always be to the current members who have been paying their subs.

If you want to get involved in class politics then join Momentum if those nutters are still going.

[clashcityrocker]

The union's priority should always be to the current members who have been paying their subs.

If you want to get involved in class politics then join Momentum if those nutters are still going.

Why do you think the trade union movement was founded?

[Woody Guthrie]

The union's priority should always be to the current members who have been paying their subs.

That's why new starts don't get sick pay for the first year.
That's why new starts got dumped into an inferior pension scheme.
That's why new starts don't get the multitude of allowances held under grandfather rights by existing members .
That's why new starts are on unworkable part-time contracts that aren't fit for purpose.
That's why new starts think the union is a joke.

As a trade union if you don't look to the future you become part of the past...

[payetwhu]

Work to time it is listed on this site , if you look at the first hundred , the first 30 will be the pilots there may be the odd change as this was an earlier list but broadly it will the first 30 offices out of the 100

Link to offices please?

[yellowbelly]

Work to time it is listed on this site , if you look at the first hundred , the first 30 will be the pilots there may be the odd change as this was an earlier list but broadly it will the first 30 offices out of the 100

Link to offices please?

It's in the 'Stickies' here: viewtopic.php?f=69&t=99517

[Schiff]

The union's priority should always be to the current members who have been paying their subs.

That's why new starts don't get sick pay for the first year.
That's why new starts got dumped into an inferior pension scheme.
That's why new starts don't get the multitude of allowances held under grandfather rights by existing members .
That's why new starts are on unworkable part-time contracts that aren't fit for purpose.
That's why new starts think the union is a joke.

As a trade union if you don't look to the future you become part of the past...

Did you even bother to read the post that I was replying to? It was advocating more of what you rightly rant about. Forget about earning opportunities and just create more (part-time) jobs.

This union (which is meant to give equal representation to all members) needs to begin by putting right the disparity between its current members, that it is seemingly so proud to have negotiated over the years. I think it is a bit rich to ask those that the union have forgotten about to give up on increasing their own earning opportunities through a drive for decent full time jobs, so that more (equal shitty part-time) jobs can be created, probably on even worse terms again in order to increase the membership of the union.

I agree that a trade union needs to look to the future. Ours simply looks backwards towards nationalisation and hopes that a hard left government will ride in and throw money at their membership.

We need a leadership for the 21st century. Instead we are stuck with one more suited to the 1970s with the class warfare rhetoric.

Terry! Dave! It's 2021. Wish you were here.

[Dorset Plodder]

I think several people are all making the same point.

I agree that we should really be trying to get as many Posties onto FT 38 hr contracts as possible. In my DO we have the ridiculous situation where a few of the "Chosen Few" are kicking the arse out of the Overtime, and at the same time the DOM is saying there's not enough work to justify making more PTers up to FT.

A favourite trick is to have Previously FT duties prepped by "The Chosen Few" on Overtime (with a reduction of the Indoor Element of that Duty). The Outdoor Element can then be done by a PTer Our Rep is hoping to Rectify this under the new Tabletop Revision. He inherited the problem, but having said that the previous Rep's said he'd not agreed to anything like it.

I think it was probably something that Management had forced through during "The Rico Years" when they thought they could do as they pleased.

[Martin Walsh]

It is always worth looking at the facts, the vast majority of Scheduled attendance hours are against rest day working.

Most of which have been agreed at the start of the revision and resign. Some members financially need more than what the average wage brings in. The pound in the pocket is not representative to Area or individuals. Remember the SFMB agreement which introduced part timers into Royal Mail also introduced scheduled attendance overtime.

Some members need extra earnings to make ends meet , they should not be made guilt for that !

Equally the new WIPWH productivity measure counts all the work hours and which includes any hours a part timer is working above contracted hours , and providing when you have done you productivity improvement those hours are still there than increasing a part timers contracted hours will be far easier!