The 24 things not agreed...

[cobrakai]

This was hidden as a reply by Martin Walsh on another thread. How did we even get told to vote for this???? Its unbelievable none of his agreed..

The list of further talks are in the agreement

1. Delivery Guidelines for table top revision
2. Delivery guidelines for structural revision
3. processing guidelines
4 collections guidelines
5. Network guidelines
6. Area Distribution guidelines
7 future Delivery Agreement
8.Future Processing Agreement
9. Reviewing the Parcel network
10 Agreeing the staffing levels and ways of working for new parcel hubs.
11. Conclusions of the Productivity working group.
12. Review of Sundays
13. New products and services discussions
14. New incentive scheme for employees
15. Introduction of Dedicated parcel duties
16. Roll out scan in scan out process
17. Resource scheduler trial
18. Review of Fleet
19. Review of parcelforce
20. USO discussions
21. Improving culture in the workplace
22. Review of the IR agreement removing the DRP
23 Guidelines for International / property and facilities
24 , Negotiations on attendance policies.

However the key principles for all of the above and the starting point are contained within the Pathway to Change Agreement

[shepherdess]

The guidance was supposed to be agreed by the end of Jan ????????? Nothing relayed to members again!!

[derricksmyth]

Well i voted no!!

[yubin282]

I voted NO, my conscience is clear.

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

I wonder if those who have voted yes by post, having now seen this list, could use the online QR voting link as per viewtopic.php?f=69&t=99186 to change their mind if they so wish before the vote deadline.

I've already voted no before seeing this pretty shocking list.

Voting yes for a small pay increase and a small reduction in the working week for full timers is effectively giving RM an open book to massively change the job with this list.

[General Mannerheim]

improving culture in the workplace,
Oh goody will that entail more bag avoiders and RM manager halfwits all visiting certain `selected`units again.

[worktotime]

im glad i voted NO , but some only see the golden carrot of the back pay , oh dear and lets see 6 month down the line if things are so rosy in the garden .

[worktotime]

I wonder if those who have voted yes by post, having now seen this list, could use the online QR voting link as per viewtopic.php?f=69&t=99186 to change their mind if they so wish before the vote deadline.

I've already voted no before seeing this pretty shocking list.

Voting yes for a small pay increase and a small reduction in the working week for full timers is effectively giving RM an open book to massively change the job with this list.

[worktotime]

I wonder if those who have voted yes by post, having now seen this list, could use the online QR voting link as per viewtopic.php?f=69&t=99186 to change their mind if they so wish before the vote deadline.

I've already voted no before seeing this pretty shocking list.

Voting yes for a small pay increase and a small reduction in the working week for full timers is effectively giving RM an open book to massively change the job with this list.

and even the 1 hour off the working week isnt nailed on as it is based on revisions in orrifices , and it could take up to October to get it if you can , so its a massive 1% pay increase in April , ,

[Martin Walsh]

How was it hidden ? I posted it up front I was the person who told you there was 24 outstanding issues and if you look at every past agreement there is always further issues to discuss.

What you have in front of you is that we now hold the hostages rather than Royal Mail demanding we agree to their whole plan before we got either a pay deal , job security or a shorter working week.

You get the 2.7% and the 1% without doing anything ! How many other industries are putting 358 million on the table during this period and without any strings.

The shorter working week is based on a revision and the detail of that effects processing , RDCs , revenue protection staff , Network Drivers , Area Distribution, International staff , LA’s , Collection Staff , MDEC workers , Delivery offices doing a table top and those delivery offices doing a structural revision. No way was all that detail going to be done in a key principles they would still be talking now and let’s be honest you would have been asking where the pay deal is where is the agreement.

Instead we have a key principles agreement which all the other discussions flow from and look at the commitments in it and you want it rejected

1. It gives a no compulsory redundancies commitment to 2023
2. It recommits to the Legal guarantees and goes further and says that there will be no strategy of giving growth to alternative labour / self employed drivers.
3. It protects the MTSF agreement
4. It delivers a 2 year pay deal
5. It agrees to the SWW based on a revision
6. It commits to part times getting the additional increase due to full timers hourly rate increases.
7. It has move Royal Mail from the larger parcels being done by 300 delivery offices
8. It commits to no further mail centre , RDC closures
9. It states that under the new parcel review that delivery offices will still have the same going out times and mail centres the same dispatch times ruling out the 9-5 delivery strategy
10. It protects attendance patterns and allows for more innovative offices
11. It has stopped Royal Mail’s strategy of real time recording being used to resource and linked to what you are paid.
12. It agrees a productivity measure but rules out Royal Mail strategy of 100BSi
13 it commits the business to having 85% of the traffic to be delivered on the core delivery and 15% as potential for dedicated parcel duties.
14 Any Sunday would remain voluntary.
15. Looking at growth outside of the parcels and letters , both LA poste ane Deutsche post have done this and grown jobs and revenue from more localised services.
16. Working together to not only protect the USO but also the future of second class etc.

So those who are shouting to vote no , your be throwing all of those things away at a time when we have a regulator who have already said they don’t think the USO is sustainable in its present form.

Very shortsighted and be careful what you wish for !

[Vwtouran]

Some people are just scared of change, about time Royal Mail got with the times!

[TheTrolleyMan]

This is a great deal ! Well if your not On Delivery , a bit like all the CWU leadership who haven't done a delivery since 2nd deliveries were banished !

[aiden01]

This is a great deal ! Well if your not On Delivery , a bit like all the CWU leadership who haven't done a delivery since 2nd deliveries were banished !

Well lets see how the vote goes an please remember delivery outnumbers processing by at least 3 to 1.

[wazer]

so if its a yes vote, Sunday could become a normal part of working week. As according to this No12. So any changes to the outstanding 24 things can go ahead without any backlash as long it's a yes vote.
Union reps are telling staff to vote yes.
Shocking

[TrueBlueTerrier]

so if its a yes vote, Sunday could become a normal part of working week. As according to this No12. So any changes to the outstanding 24 things can go ahead without any backlash as long it's a yes vote.
Union reps are telling staff to vote yes.
Shocking

No, I don't think so.

Working Sundays has to be specifically mentioned in the contract when starting work, or it can be changed on agreement by both parties.

Now if that is for collective agreements like Royal Mail, the CWU would know its signing its own suicide note if we did not get a vote on it. If its for individual contracts, then for the same reason I can't see the Union accepting a change of that magnitude without some kind of push back.

Also, the H&S and working hour rules will still apply, and just by the nature of the operation, more people will be needed during the week than they will on Sundays.

My opinion is that Sunday working in deliveries will remain either voluntary or SA, and the concern over Sundays though warranted, because of the lack of information, is less of an issue than other things within the agreement.