Why you should support the agreement

[toonshola]

Voted no. Had enough of being told what a great deal I’ll be getting with a few pounds extra each week by people at the top of the union who are one 100k+. It’s a s**t deal, and it’s also incomplete so what the hell would I be voting to agree to. Fully expect it to go through though too many people will take the few hundred quid bribe without thinking of the long term unfortunately.

[twoloops]

Strange everybody I’ve spoken to at work today know nothing about the vote & what they are voting for, I get the impression no ones bothered? The few that had or planned to vote are voting NO.

[wookie]

It certainly looks like we are voting blind. Being told to vote yes, for me, raises some concerns.

How is the hour going to be taken off in October? Are they going to make the heavy days longer? Because it really is close to picking up the kids.

Can RM be trusted, this October under the original agreement we should be on 35hr.

Sundays. If they cant get them covered by overtime will they look at doing a rota so you have it built into your duty?

Local revisions, one thing I have learnt reading posts on here over the years is how different offices are. Regarding how managers treat staff to people finishing really early to some going over every day.

Clocking in & out. Are we looking at pda working on a day by day basis, where you are constantly being monitored?

[srilfc2013]

Had a postie wave his letter about saying don't forget to vote its about your pay deal. I said its nothing to do with pay it is what they owe us anyway. He knew nothing about it and was shocked to hear I am voting no. It won't matter as the majority will vote yes for the back pay alone.

[neil1969]

Quack Quack Martin you ducked my question!!!

[goneaway]

Well, the ballot form has arrived here, but pondering whether to plump for yes or no. I've seen mention of 24 issues (I think that's the number I've seen mentioned) that remain outstanding for future agreement between the two sides, so these issues will be absent from what we are voting for. But I don't think I've seen a full list of what those issues are.

Apologies in advance if I've missed it, but can anyone set out, in bullet point form (it doesn't need to be an essay), what ALL these issues are. There's certainly no mention of them in the document that accompanies the ballot form, or even any reference to any outstanding issues. If you had to sum up the document in two words, it would be "job done", but with two dozen issues outstanding, that would appear to be far from the case.

If they're trivial things like the two sides can't agree on a new colour for "kill off" stickers, then fair enough, but I expect most of the issues are more important than that!

I really need to know what hasn't been agreed, so I can make an informed decision. I'm sure I'm not alone.

[renrag40]

Well, the ballot form has arrived here, but pondering whether to plump for yes or no. I've seen mention of 24 issues (I think that's the number I've seen mentioned) that remain outstanding for future agreement between the two sides, so these issues will be absent from what we are voting for. But I don't think I've seen a full list of what those issues are.

Apologies in advance if I've missed it, but can anyone set out, in bullet point form (it doesn't need to be an essay), what ALL these issues are. There's certainly no mention of them in the document that accompanies the ballot form, or even any reference to any outstanding issues. If you had to sum up the document in two words, it would be "job done", but with two dozen issues outstanding, that would appear to be far from the case.

If they're trivial things like the two sides can't agree on a new colour for "kill off" stickers, then fair enough, but I expect most of the issues are more important than that!

I really need to know what hasn't been agreed, so I can make an informed decision. I'm sure I'm not alone.

No you haven’t missed the list of 24 important outstanding issues that still have to be negotiated because the union has failed to communicate what the issues are. This is a deliberate act by the union to keep the membership in the dark which is an absolute disgrace and betrayal of the members trust. Both Ward and Pullinger should resign and take with them anybody on the postal executive who thinks it is acceptable that the membership should be expected to vote on something that hasn’t (according to them and we only have their word on it) been negotiated yet.

[goneaway]

No you haven’t missed the list of 24 important outstanding issues that still have to be negotiated because the union has failed to communicate what the issues are. This is a deliberate act by the union to keep the membership in the dark which is an absolute disgrace and betrayal of the members trust. Both Ward and Pullinger should resign and take with them anybody on the postal executive who thinks it is acceptable that the membership should be expected to vote on something that hasn’t (according to them and we only have their word on it) been negotiated yet.

So, is anyone from the union (Martin?) able to post a list of issues that are not covered by the agreement? If this isn't forthcoming, I am inclined to vote "no", as this is too far a leap into the dark to vote "yes".

Also, is the intention to have a second ballot if/when those outstanding issues are resolved?

[neil1969]

Martin,are you going to retract the statement that you never duck a answer?

[renrag40]

Martin,are you going to retract the statement that you never duck a answer?

That’s another one that he is going to duck.

[world class male]

i wasn't sure if the 24 potential issues had been listed either, but unless i know what can or cannot be added to our t&c without our approval after then i'll be voting no too, they could all be minor but how on earth can we be expected to vote either way?
come on union leaders, stop patting yourselves on the back and just tell us because if this goes pear shaped it could be the end of the cwu in royal mail

[twiddledumb]

I just voted NO. After reading the agreement it seems pretty clear to me we have been sold down the river AGAIN by the union with a bribe thrown in to get us to vote yes, which I have no doubt will work. But read the small print, mail centre jobs being replaced by automated sorting machines, part-time staff, floats well god knows probably thrown into some separate parcel delivery company working on the weekend if you're lucky, especially when Saturday letter deliveries go, which they will thanks to our UNION rolling over and letting RM trial it last year. Clocking in and out with RM having the ability to watch every move you make and the bonus of the open ended statement

"To diversify and grow the business beyond letters and parcels by exploring new
commercial markets and expanding the role of postal workers in supporting
communities, environmental change, local and regional business growth, government
services and developing new local to local services. "

I mean what the hell does that even mean? Are posties now going to be delivering your shopping to your door, clean your windows, bit of painting, sell you life insurance, car insurance, pick the litter from the street etc etc. Give me a break, this deal is a joke for posites and mail centre staff. The union are a joke actually putting this to the workforce. But as I said it will be passed, the bribe of back dated pay will ensure that, but it will be a decision every postie will regret. By the way I am finished with the union after this, they are truly useless if that is the best deal they could agree. Every time the union negotiate a deal our job gets harder, and this deal is no different, they secured one less hour work, but your workload is not an hour less, you just have to work an hour faster. What have they actually negotiated that makes our job better, apart from the small bribe to allow RM to walk all over us.

[FirstPost]

how can I change my vote if I've sent it off?

[aiden01]

how can I change my vote if I've sent it off?

You can't.

[neil1969]

Come on martin,what's the big secret In the 24 issues yet to be addressed?
If we've got nothing to be concerned about then why are we been kept in the dark?
Genuine question,what the hell is going on at cwu headquarters?
Do you think we aren't capable of reading documents & making our own minds up?
Or are you just as corrupt as RM management?