The case for Local Agreements

[P13]

when is the members being balloted to accept? I want the ballot asap so i can get my back dated pay to April and get out of this job!

You can't be that desperate for roughly £300 after tax

[PJ101]

Can we vote for job and finish locally? My understanding is that it is a national policy but is only operated in some offices and only sometimes in some of them. Why cant the union and RM even implement this basic policy?

[PJ101]

I mean it is not allowed according to national agreements.

[Woody Guthrie]

I wonder what difference the appointment of Simon Thompson as CEO will make.

Was he involved in the agreement?
Dove or hawk Martin?

[Cucumber]

Can we vote for job and finish locally? My understanding is that it is a national policy but is only operated in some offices and only sometimes in some of them. Why cant the union and RM even implement this basic policy?

How does that work if a whole office has job and finish?
Who returns the vans, the P739 items, the PO Box collections, the empty bags, the PDA's?
Or is that yet another one of these Local Agreements that benefit the few and add extra work onto the rest?

[Martin Walsh]

Definitely a dove Woody !!

[Woody Guthrie]

Definitely a dove Woody !!

That's at least good News.
Don't know what to make of Stuart Simpson leaving the business entirely, I would have thought he would be front runner for CEO.

Who knows the mindset of the top table...

[postslippete]

The better option is what lots of office do throughout the Uk and that is to ensure that any local agreement is acceptable to the office and if it is not than collectively raise it through the IR framework. Remember there were 600 disagreements in the IR framework from our initial dispute, so can be done.

Martin


If there are 600 disagreements, how do they all get resolved?? Just asking a man of +36 years experience and visiting over 200 offices (some more than once).


I understand the concept of local agreements and that a "one fits all approach" doesn't always work for all Royal Mail offices.

However, can you explain exactly how local offices will arrive at their local agreements?? Will it be left to our dodgy Union rep who seems to be doing managerial duties? Will each office ask their staff for feedback? Will we be given a questionnaire as to what changes we would like to see?

CWU HQ have spent nearly a full year negotiating things with Royal Mail only to conclude that it will be left to local offices tasked with actually making the key decisions like how we are actually going to achieve a SWW. Wouldn't we be best off voting for this agreement once we have at least trialled these changes for as long as the Union has spent negotiating them??

Will delivery failures be reported and acted upon when this lockdown finishes?? We are currently using agency staff to shift 3 or 4 days worth of mail. Is this outsourcing of work really acceptable?

[Zicomurphy]

Can we vote for job and finish locally? My understanding is that it is a national policy but is only operated in some offices and only sometimes in some of them. Why cant the union and RM even implement this basic policy?

How does that work if a whole office has job and finish?
Who returns the vans, the P739 items, the PO Box collections, the empty bags, the PDA's?
Or is that yet another one of these Local Agreements that benefit the few and add extra work onto the rest?

The phrase job and finish has never meant that you are finished the second you put the last letter through the last letterbox, well certainly not in my office. It means once you have finished your delivery AND done all the things you mention you are finished.

It’s all a bit random in my office. Get back early and somedays you might get sent back out with other work. Other days you would be free to go. They certainly wouldn’t make you hang around until your finish time out of principle if there is nothing to do.

[daveyeff]

''the opportunity to have innovative attendance patterns'' is a eyebrow raiser to say the least Martin. we HAD them. from the 2010 'deal of the century' agreement. we had ...:-working 3 weeks on and 1 week off, and 9 day fortnights. they were the ONLY good thing to come out of that pile of shite. guess what. they took them off us. its still an open wound to us all in our office. ...''innovative attendance patterns'' HA.

[Martin Walsh]

Postslippete , in terms of the 600 revisions they will now fall in line with this agreement.

The 600 was made up of disagreements over PAD revisions , processing revisions, collection revisions , delivery revisions and CSS Disagreements.

All revisions will have full involvement with the CWU and agreed by the local rep.

In this agreement we are getting pay upfront and Royal Mail are getting the revisions changes which include the SWW from April.

This is a massive difference to what they proposed in the pay offers previously which was dependent on us agreeing to all the changes they wanted up front and a pay offer which was made in September which was based on a 300 lump sum which could be consolidated into base pay if we had agreed 6000 job losses , all offices working to 100 BSi and all their other strategies.

[Martin Walsh]

Davy , Royal Mail wanted a standard 1 in 6 duty pattern , we believe because Resource scheduler cannot cope with different duty patterns.

We would not and the innovative duty patterns will be relaunched.

Obviously you will need to fill any attendance pattern content with productive workload.

So Wallingtons
9 day fortnights
4 day weeks
Or any other improved attendance will be available when you do the revision.

The revision will be based on a full timer minus the meal reliefs having 34 hours of work.

[citypostie]

Martin with the increased number of tracked we have lots of people in in overtime to scan them and sort into the different section, we are also paying early ips every day just to get out at a reasonable time but still people can't complete. Would we be able to make a case to have full timers on a 4 day week, reducing the need to pay this overtime by having them start earlier , making longer days but less of them? Or would that be too sensible?

[renrag40]

Davy , Royal Mail wanted a standard 1 in 6 duty pattern , we believe because Resource scheduler cannot cope with different duty patterns.

We would not and the innovative duty patterns will be relaunched.

Obviously you will need to fill any attendance pattern content with productive workload.

So Wallingtons
9 day fortnights
4 day weeks
Or any other improved attendance will be available when you do the revision.

The revision will be based on a full timer minus the meal reliefs having 34 hours of work.

So effectively, it’s not even a reduction of an hour is it Martin? Our weekly meal reliefs are going down from 3hrs 20 mins to 3hrs.
Which side of the negotiations came up with that little pearler?
This agreement really is the gift that keeps on giving!

[postslippete]

This is a massive difference to what they proposed in the pay offers previously which was dependent on us agreeing to all the changes they wanted up front and a pay offer which was made in September which was based on a 300 lump sum which could be consolidated into base pay if we had agreed 6000 job losses , all offices working to 100 BSi and all their other strategies.

Ok Martin, thanks for touching base with us


I suppose most posties are of the mindset of something that seems to be too good to be true.

Looking forward to these "innovative duty patterns" already....