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The Agreement : Text & PDF

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Ive never know a revision to be put in place with the result being more walks, the business want savings and increased productivity with walks failing daily and parcel volume growth, I can only see problems ahead
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It is very short agreement brief and lacking in detail is this just the short agreement or is it the full agreement?
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shepherdess wrote:
27 Dec 2020, 18:58
Ive never know a revision to be put in place with the result being more walks, the business want savings and increased productivity with walks failing daily and parcel volume growth, I can only see problems ahead
Exactly!
All these people on here banging on about revisions as if they are going to stop runners and people from taking the piss are delusional, there is no way that anything will be evened out or walks made fairer, it's a myth perpetuated by both the management and the bag avoiders and careerist.
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Nickvilla20 wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 22:43
Keep reading on social media part timers thinking they won’t get back pay and Sunday’s being made compulsory. Think the comms team need to sort this out
This happens every time and I'm always stumped as it is illegal to discriminate against PT staff and has been for years. The backpay is for everyone.
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freespeech wrote:
28 Dec 2020, 09:08
Nickvilla20 wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 22:43
Keep reading on social media part timers thinking they won’t get back pay and Sunday’s being made compulsory. Think the comms team need to sort this out
This happens every time and I'm always stumped as it is illegal to discriminate against PT staff and has been for years. The backpay is for everyone.
Working on Sundays won't be linked specifically to part time staff but to any/all new staff taken on the agreement is signed off. This is presuming there is a need either financially or customer led which I doubt is the case. Given that overtime costs less than standard wages it would be more cost efficient to carry on as we are.
I have just read through the agreement which seems vague and full of holes like the previous one therefore the SWW is not guaranteed for those who believe it is a good concept or viable to achieve. The door is left open to try & push other stupid ideas such as bench merging under the guise of efficiency. There isn't any mention of moving all the parcels onto the LAT hubs one way or the other. The union are recommending it be voted for as per usual - even the reps who would usually see it as a thinly veiled bribe have been lured into accepting it based on the unemployment rate increasing by millions.
The views I express here are mine alone and do not represent the views of Royal Mail Group.
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TheoF95 wrote:
27 Dec 2020, 11:47
Royal mail, will not want to link it to pay when its first rolled out.
First they will want to see what the numbers actually are and its safer to do this without linking it to pay.

So they will roll it out NOT being linked to pay, They will check all the data & numbers. Only then will royal mail decide if to link it to pay or not.
If they see they could save loads of money they will push for it in the future.

:)
You've hit the nail on the head Theo, people need to look beyond the headline phrases, this to me is the key phrase:
Technology will replace outdated and inconsistent manual methods of information gathering and provide the underlying insight to improve our current processes including resourcing.
They'll use the data maybe not immediately but in the near future........
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TheoF95 wrote:
27 Dec 2020, 11:47
Royal mail, will not want to link it to pay when its first rolled out.
First they will want to see what the numbers actually are and its safer to do this without linking it to pay.

So they will roll it out NOT being linked to pay, They will check all the data & numbers. Only then will royal mail decide if to link it to pay or not.
If they see they could save loads of money they will push for it in the future.

:)
They will because the savings will be gotten in the time and tested way that shepherdess and General Mannerheim have outlined here \/ \/ \/ \/ \/\/ \/ \/ \/
General Mannerheim wrote:
27 Dec 2020, 19:33
shepherdess wrote:
27 Dec 2020, 18:58
Ive never know a revision to be put in place with the result being more walks, the business want savings and increased productivity with walks failing daily and parcel volume growth, I can only see problems ahead
Exactly!
All these people on here banging on about revisions as if they are going to stop runners and people from taking the piss are delusional, there is no way that anything will be evened out or walks made fairer, it's a myth perpetuated by both the management and the bag avoiders and careerist.
Once the cull in DO's has been completed based off of years of pi$$ poor data they will then push towards linking clocking in and out to pay and if an individual can't compete on time they'll be asked why when previous data proved that they were completing on time and even earlier. AKA more bullying and harassment and unachievable workloads.

The revisions that are coming up will have already been done in the background to some degree by the area managers based off previous weeks and months data capture. RM already know what's possible and will be out to get it irrespective of what the union think.

IMHO. Based off of 20 years of working for RM and going through numerous revisions. They always stick to the same old tired plan. And I still think they'll come back 5-10 years down the line for walk ownership and self employed drivers.
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• As part of local revision activity, where justified, through workload and better alignment of resources, there will continue to be opportunities for part time staff, who wish to do so, to increase their hours to full time employment.

As part of the 4 Pillars there was a commitment to "focus" on improving part time contracts.
That commitment appears to have gone.
It also ignores the fact that the hours needed to improve part time contracts are currently used to pay (mainly) full timers' demands for overtime.

Sold down the river on overtime payments while on annual leave.
Sold down the river on improved contracts.
Circle those wagons and protect the full time privileges.
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The 4 Pillars agreement actually called the guiding principles agreements is recommitted to within this agreement so all what was contained in that agreement holds the field
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Martin Walsh wrote:
29 Dec 2020, 19:49
The 4 Pillars agreement actually called the guiding principles agreements is recommitted to within this agreement so all what was contained in that agreement holds the field
As committed as they've been over the last two years?
Wonderful.

Have they dropped the plans to make the attendance procedure, sick pay and NCI more draconian or are those some of the things still up for discussion?
Only dead fish follow the current
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Martin Walsh wrote:
29 Dec 2020, 19:49
The 4 Pillars agreement actually called the guiding principles agreements is recommitted to within this agreement so all what was contained in that agreement holds the field
But you have too fight for it in your own unit and if not they will come for us all one day unity is a precious commodity in these times!
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I've finally read through the agreement document line by line. There's a lot about what the CWU have done to stop Royal Mail in their tracks with their more outlandish plans (for which we can be thankful) but I'm really not much wiser on what changes there will be in the future, it all seems so woolly. So, lots of agreement on what won't now happen but little on what WILL happen. Anyone else feel the same?

Maybe I missed it, but have daft ideas that have been floating around like working from two bundles of post whilst on delivery (one machine sorted, the other manually sorted) finally had a "kill sticker" stuck on them?
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goneaway wrote:
01 Jan 2021, 11:51
I've finally read through the agreement document line by line. There's a lot about what the CWU have done to stop Royal Mail in their tracks with their more outlandish plans (for which we can be thankful) but I'm really not much wiser on what changes there will be in the future, it all seems so woolly. So, lots of agreement on what won't now happen but little on what WILL happen. Anyone else feel the same?

Maybe I missed it, but have daft ideas that have been floating around like working from two bundles of post whilst on delivery (one machine sorted, the other manually sorted) finally had a "kill sticker" stuck on them?
Just found a new name for the agreement "THE WOOLLY UNDERPANTS AGREEMENT 2020" more holes in it than a prostitutes leggings!
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gb93 wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 16:27
So in 2022 when RM get rid of 6 day uso & save absolute fortune on costs we get a 1% pay rise
Only three months to go for the 1% not 15 months
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scooby doo wrote:
05 Jan 2021, 13:52
gb93 wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 16:27
So in 2022 when RM get rid of 6 day uso & save absolute fortune on costs we get a 1% pay rise
Only three months to go for the 1% not 15 months
Wow! When you put it like that it really does make it look like the deal of the century! Only 3 months to go to get a whole 1% more!! I say it again, wow!